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US Airways Hates Families and Kids

by Sierra on February 15, 2010 · View Comments

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If you have kids, don’t fly on US Airways. We were on three flights of theirs yesterday as we slowly made our way from Boston to Tucson. Not once was I assigned a seat near my kids.

Now, I confess that when I saw I had a boarding pass for seat 5D and my kids both had seats in row 26, I was delighted. Who wants to sit between a two-year-old and a 5-year-old on a cross-country trip? Not me.

When I approached the gate agent to point out the error, I said, “Hey, I’m perfectly happy not to sit anywhere near these kids on the plane, but I’m sure you won’t really let me do that. Here’s my boarding pass, change my seat assignment.”

The joke got a lot less funny when he said, “Sorry, I can’t do that.”

As I explained to the supervisor I shortly found myself speaking with, I would be arrested for leaving two kids that young unattended in the company of total strangers for six hours. Making me sit at one end of a plane and them at the other isn’t something I can agree to, even if I wanted to. Which all joking aside, I do not.

“Just get on the plane, and maybe some passenger will be generous enough to switch seats with you,” he advised me.

HOT TIP, US AIRWAYS: THIS IS THE WRONG ANSWER.

On that first flight, it turned out my sister – who is traveling with us – was also seated at the front of the plane. I traded boarding passes with my older daughter and we were fine. Problem solved, right?

Wrong. We got on our connecting flight and discovered that we had four center seats in different rows. That’s right, my sister and her lap baby, my toddler, my kindergartner and myself had all been assigned center seats on the plane, in different rows from each other.

We kind of flailed in confusion for a few minutes, while the flight crew studiously ignored us. Then the regular boarding started, and pretty quickly a dude came along and wanted the seat my five-yr-old had helped herself to. I tried to explain that we were confused and had been assigned the wrong seats. He tried to explain that really the window seat was his and could I please move my kid. We politely explained these things to each other for a few minutes.

Eventually I noticed that a woman sitting in the row behind my sister had gotten to her feet and was quietly watching us. She suggested that I give the man his seat and move to my own assigned seat two rows away. I explained again that we had been assigned the wrong seats and needed someone from the flight crew to help us.

The woman said she would help.

“Are you a stewardess?” I asked, since she didn’t look or act like one. She wasn’t wearing a uniform or nametag, and hadn’t introduced herself or acted at all helpful. I’d been assuming she was a nosy neighbor.

“No,” she said.

I went back to trying to solve my problem with the passengers around me.

“I’m a flight attendent,” she said a moment later. It wasn’t clear who she was talking to. She was looking at the back of one of the seats when she said it.

“Oh, I’m sorry,” I said. “I didn’t mean to be rude.”

After a few more seconds I realized she might be trying to tell me something.

“Are you a flight attendant on this flight?” I asked.

“Yes,” she said.

“Great! Maybe you can help me. See, they assigned us to the wrong seats, and I need to figure out where we can all sit together.”

“Just go to your assigned seats for now, and if someone is willing to offer to trade seats with you later, you can move.”

“I’m sorry, did you just tell me to leave my two-year-old sitting here sandwhiched between two total strangers while I go to another part of the plane?”

For now,” she hissed, as if I’d been badgering her with bitchy questions about where I could stow my 17 pairs of designer shoes for an hour.

Then she stood there glaring at us for the rest of the boarding. She refused to speak to  me again or make eye contact, even when I talked to her. She didn’t interact with the other passengers at all. It was like she was watching to make sure I didn’t do anything sneaky like try to steal another passenger’s rightful seat.

At first, I am ashamed to say, I tried to cooperate with her outrageous demand. I gave the toddler to my sister, who was already holding her own lap baby. I went to my seat two rows over, and asked my five-year-old to be brave and sit her seat one row behind mine.

My kids have a lot  more sense than I do, and both promptly had panic attacks. The baby sobbed like anything and started kicking and threw herself into the aisle and would not move until she was in my arms. Her sister just sobbed quietly and shook as strangers took their seats around her.

A word about security theater: I let this go on as long as I did because we were on an airplane, and I was afraid that if I stepped out into the aisle to pick up my crying baby, or moved one row back to comfort my daughter, I would be arrested for felony “acting weird on a plane and not listening to the stewardess flight attendant”. The TSA may not be able to keep bombs off our planes, but they certainly succeed at terrorizing me.

I also worried that I would arrested if I did not intervene quickly or effectively enough to stop my kids’ tantrums. It happens. Parents have been pulled off planes and charged with felonies for refusing to listen to a flight attendants absurd demands about their kids, and they’ve been pulled off of plans and stranded for failing to comfort them fast enough to make the other passengers happy.

And my family wonders why I get so stressed when I fly with my girls.

Anyway, eventually my terror of being arrested for leaving my seat against orders cancelled out my terror of being arrested for letting my kids cry and I scooped them both up and took over TWO ADJACENT SEATS. The stewardess flight attendant just glared.

Eventually, someone came to claim my contraband seat. She was a mom with a 9-yr-old boy in tow, and before she even tried to sit down, she grabbed the stewardess flight attendant and insisted on having her seat moved because she had been assigned a seat two rows away from her son.

The ever helpful stewardess flight attendant told this woman she could not sit with her son or go to her assigned seat, and had to move to the opposite end of the plane. She was extremely rude about it.

“Don’t give me that attitude!” the woman said. “I just want to sit down with my son.”

“Lady, we have BABIES that are being separated from their parents. Your child is old enough to sit alone,” she said.

NOTE: This was the only time on the entire flight that anyone from US Airways acknowledged in my hearing that my being separated from my toddler for a seven hour flight might be less than ideal. Every person I spoke to about it acted like I was being outrageous for expecting such a privilege, and stupid for thinking they could or would accomodate it.

The woman, to her amazing credit, said, “Don’t try that on me! You wouldn’t separate a baby from her parents. That would never happen. That is not happening. Now give me my seat.”

Yes, our seating snafu was so appalling that other passengers assumed the stewardess flight attendant was lying about it to avoid helping them with their problems. I wish.

All told, my sister and I counted at least five families with kids under 12 whose seat assignments would have forced the kids to fly alone. This in spite of the fact that airline policy prohibits minors from flying alone if they are under 12. We also saw two other families with teens or older relatives who had been separated.

I had to stand with my terrified baby in my arms and my scared daughter clinging to my legs until every single passenger was in a seat. Then the stewardess flight attendant came over, leaned around me without ever speaking to me, and asked the woman sitting in the third seat in our row if she spoke English.

“Yes,” the woman said with a heavy Russian accent. She was clearly confused.

“Are you over 15 years old?”

“I’m sorry, I don’t understand.”

They had this conversation three times. Eventually the woman, who was older than my mom, understood what she was being asked and confirmed that she was over 15.

“Would you be willing to sit in an emergency exit row? We need an additional volunteer for exit row seating.”

The woman agreed, and moved. The stewardess flight attendant walked away.

“Excuse me!” I shouted after her. “Does this mean that we can have these three seats? Can I sit here with my kids?”

She stared at me as if this question were entirely out of the blue.

“Are your children ticketed passengers?” she said.

“Yes.”

“Then you can sit there.”

She walked away.

I had to be polite to her then. See also: being rude to airplane personnel can easily get twisted into a felony these days.

But I’m not on the plane now, and I can say it: lady with the gray hair on the 5 p.m. Washington to Phoenix USAirways flight on Feb 13, you were really mean to me and my kids. I had a lot of choice things to say, but I think that’s the important one. I hope you read this and think twice about acting like that again. My girls have cried themselves to sleep two nights in a row now, and a huge chunk of that is down to your crappy attitude.

Here is what you should have done:

  • smiled.
  • assured us everything would be OK, and that you would take responsibility for making it so.
  • offered us a row of three seats together, somewhere on the plane.
  • explained to the passengers holding those boarding passes that due to an error made by US Airways, you needed to reassign their seats.

And you, US Airways. You suck. You knew my kids ages when you made the seat assignments. There’s no excuse for not seating us together. Even worse, you clearly have No Plan for dealing with this sort of thing. “Ask some generous passenger to do you a favor” is a totally unacceptable answer.

What if I was a Crazy Person and I had just shrugged and sat my two-year-old down between a couple of business travelers at the opposite end of the plane from me?

Would you really have let the plane take off like that? Would you have taken responsibility for any illness, injury or harm that befell her? What about damage she’d have done to the other passengers property and person in her panic? If you’re now offering free in-flight babysitting, you should advertise it. I could have kicked back with a book and an overpriced cocktail and had a much better time. Or, more likely, booked my tickets on an airline that would let me sit with my kids.

I am calling your executive customer service tomorrow morning to find out what your company is doing to correct this error-prone seat assignment system, and to train employees on how to deal with it in the hopefully rare instance it occurs in the future. You had better have a good answer.

[ETA: I did speak with a customer relations rep from US Airways. Here's my account of our conversation.]

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  • emy9
    This happened to us on a flight - Thompson I think. All 4 of us - including 2 and 3 year old children were seated seperately through the whole flight. It occured because we were late checking in due to our taxi being held up in a major traffic incident. We arrived only 1.5 hours before the flight instead of 3. We were seated together, then had to offload due to a problem with the plane. 18 hours later we reboarded - families first but then that plane had problems too so we had to run to another plane. Families with 2 toddlers could not run as fast! We asked for reassignement and were told it would be sorted but they then refused. Luckily my kids did not seem to mind but when my 2 year old was running up and down and causing chaos the flight attendant asked me to control my child. I told her she would be under control (despite being allowed only 5 hours to sleep in the last 24 hours due to their plane problems) if only she was with me and refused to help. I told her what I thought of her lack of assitance and she looked rather embarressed but did nothing to help. I was secretely pleased my daughter enjoyed running up and down all the while they tried to deliver food and sell goods and they had to keep persuading her to return to her seat so they could pass with their trolley.
  • Jai
    Yeah I feel this person. I just had a US Airways flight the day before Easter and I was booted off with my whole family including my disabled son for not showing the flight attendant my cell phone assuring that it was off. She gave me much attitude and didn't trust me as a 30 year old man to cut off my own phone, which I was doing before she got there. I feel that she was a bit racist and of course US Airways backed their decision like I was a terrorist or something. I didn't know that the flight attendants have that much power.
  • TS
    This happened to me on a United airlines flight coming back from Hawaii. Fortunately for me I found someone willing to give up thier seats so my daughter and I could sit together. This of course was with no help from United Airlines. I contacted United Airlines and got told there are no guarentee seat assignments on thier airlines. I have also emailed the Department of Transportation as well as the FAA. The internet is full of these stories and I have seen it myself time and time again. I plan on pushing this issue until it gets resolved. Until then if I book a flight and the airline does not give me the seat assignment when I book it then I will not fly.
  • jonas
    So you admit that you didn't even check the seating assignments when you first booked the flight?

    On the return, even if there were no assigned seating available to be purchased, you still had plenty of choices: you could switch flights or you could check in early.

    I mean, after you didn't do anything to ensure seating together, what did you really expect the airline to do at the gate? At that point, everyone else had their boarding passes and their assigned seats. Should they switch other people around without informing them, even though they might have paid for those seats, because you didn't care enough to do your homework? I mean, even grown ups often have good reasons to want to be together.

    In the end, you still traveled with your kids. You just had to rely on the kindness of strangers. The alternative would have been to reassign other people's seats without informing or giving them a say in the matter.
  • Justine
    You chose to take that flight, knowing that other people who planned their trips prior to you had already had seats assigned. Do you really think that just taking someone else's seat is appropriate? What a sense of entitlement you have! This is an example of poor planning on your part, not a problem with the airline. Flying when you want to is not a right, and you aren't owed anything, including the seats you want on the flight you want. You were the one at fault here, not the airline.
  • Yerawlnutz
    Gotta say, what REALLY concerns me here is not the parents who need to sit with their children (except maybe the one who recommended the "here's what to do when Baby gets sick" method). It's the ADULTS who can't be apart from each other for a few hour flight - I'm not going back to look for the comments, but there are at least two here. The one that especially stands out is the woman who ultimately _was_ able to get another passenger to switch seats with her... yet she was STILL UPSET. I give up.
  • Barks
    Maybe its just me though I think not. Unless this was your first time flying as the momma bear you profess to being - its your responsibility to confirm seating. Not the airlines and its not the problem of other passengers to accommodate you. I know that sounds harsh but when I've taken the time to plan my vacation/ trip etc and I've made the efforts to pay additional fees or just call the airline to confirm seating so that I can be next to my loved ones. I will not give it up because someone else did not plan effectively. If the it was a last minute flight then you should have taken the next flight were you could be seated together.
  • Fellow mommy and traveler
    You knew when you booked the flight you are then prompted to pay a little extra to get guaranteed seats. At that moment, you had complete control over how your flight would go. You chose the cheap way out and you and your children suffered for it. They had no responsibility to put your family together, that was on you as the parent and guardian. You can't expect to be entitled to move other people around to suit your needs. If I had been on the flight I more than likely would have switched with you to stay with your child, but not everyone is like me. I hope you have learned a valuable lessson and spend those extra dollars for your peace of mind.
  • I was not prompted when I booked the flight to pay a little extra for choice seats. Many, many people have commented saying I should have: a) paid extra for premium seating, b)called customer service and had them sort it out before I got to the airport, c) moved to a different flight if necessary, d) worked it out at the ticket counter before we got in the airplane.

    After this happened, I checked into it and found out that we were assigned separate seats for the return trip. A week before our flight, I a) attempted to select our seats together online using the early web check-in tool, b) when that failed, I tried to pay for a seating upgrade, but none were available, c) so I called customer service, who told me that even though I was flying with a two year old and a five year old, there was nothing they could do to seat us together, but I should try to work it out at the airport, so I d) sent an e-mail to the company's executive customer care asking to have it resolved, and they ignored me.

    It was fine in the end. But while I freely admit I'm not perfect when it comes to managing the details, this really wasn't a case of me being selfish, lazy or excessively entitled. The things so many responsible, thoughtful people like yourself have suggested actually don't work in many cases, including mine.
  • Geoff
    You are wrong to think the airline should move other people around to accommodate you and your children!! When you booked your ticket you were able to see a seat map and see if there were adjacent seats available so you could sit with your children. This is true even if you purchased a deeply discounted ticket. It is your responsibility to book a flight that has seats available that meet your needs. Being a parent does not entitle you to displace others. Sorry!
  • katefenster
    I don't understand why the most basic concern was not addressed by US Airways - the SAFETY of ALL their passengers! In the event of turbulence or worse, they expect there passengers (full-fare or otherwise) to care for a stranger's two-year-old or five-year old? What about LIABILITY for the airline? Surely they must care about that! I am flying with my 4year old and 21 month old next month (in lap) and I am already freaking out. At least on Southwest (the airline we're taking), there are no assigned seats and people tend to move out of the way when they see us coming. I can't imagine how scary and stressful this must have been for you guys. I almost started crying when I read your post.
  • Wow. Let's start off with that. I've had some bad experiences on flights, and I've been to 22 countries in my short 30 years. I've been on airplanes from some airlines that I was hoping all the gear wasn't too old to work.

    First of all, the idea of how angry a "flight attendant" gets when called a "stewardess" is a sign that there aren't enough important things for "flight attendants" to focus on. I've been called offensive things in my day, but misusing jargon based employment titles is not offensive.

    If it is offensive to you, then I highly recommend finding a position in an industry that will get it right every time.

    Given our day and age of travel, computers, fear, and economy it would be wise to focus on customer service no matter what industry you are in. We as a world should have learned by now that computers have mistakes inherently programed into them because they are programmed by humans.

    If we were to accept that assumption, then this would have probably never have made it into a blog post. The simple answer to all of this would be common sense on behalf of airlines employees.

    As for the airlines employees, we know your job is high risk. I mean you clearly put yourself in the line of fire every time you get on flight. You never know will happen, and your job is to "attend to the flight" for safety right?

    If that is true, then the safety of the entire flight rests on your ability to be aware, diplomatic, and solve problems. Why then is it so clear, by this well written blog post of a person and their family, that flight attendants feel such a level of entitlement that they focus on the wrong thing, and offer unacceptable solutions?

    Doesn't everyone else that gets on that plane that day face the same risks as you do, and some of those who get on the plane may have jobs that have risks that make flight travel look like a joke.

    I loved your blog entry, I think you were right about the situation being handled like crap. And, if I can avoid it at all, I will also not be traveling US Airways anytime soon.

    Thanks,

    Marty
  • Yerawlnutz
    The accusations of sexism and lack of respect in these responses are actually pretty funny - and that's without knowing whether Marty is male or female.

    Flight Attendant is important because (a) it's the title of the career; (b) Women's Lib and equality work: by definition, there can't be any such thing as a male stewardess. But y'all just go on denigrating the job and the people who do it any way you want.

  • Christa
    Not sure if Airtran offers that Phoenix to Boston flight but you might check! They were exceptional for our Dayton (OH) to Tampa flight. Traveling with my husband and our 5 & 7 year old daughters, who had never flown before, was delightful on AIRTRAN! Not only were we seated together (hubby and daughter1 in row 28, myself and daughter2 in row 29) but they offered the girls extra cookies and earphones for the music that's piped through the armrest, even selecting the Kid channel for them so there would be no crazy gansta rap suddenly traumatizing them. On the flight home we were seated in adjacent rows but at the very back w/ no windows. It was a night flight and the girls quietly complained to me that they were disappointed to not have a window. Once everyone had boarded the flight attendant, who had apparently heard the comment, offered the girls two seats together just 3 rows up from us where they could look out at the lights. And then proceeded to fuss over them so much that they barely had time to be worried that they were a mere 3 rows away from us. (Which they would have done!) Everyone on both flights was kind, understanding and generous toward us, and their policy puts families together! Maybe US can get a hold of Airtran's policy manual and make a photocopy!
  • stan
    you really need to learn how to fly. how could you assume that you would be seated together? the responsible thing to do would have been to call the airline IMMEDIATELY after booking and get the seating sorted out. this is YOUR fault.
  • stevecanuck
    Stan, you need to try this sometime. I can tell you firsthand what the airline will say, as BA said this to me with our recent family trip to the UK.

    The airline will say - "We can't confirm seating at this time. Please request seating at check in". Some will offer 24 hour advance seating if you go online.

    It depends on the airline - some allow pre-booking of seats, some don't. Sierra is being nice enough to warn us the US Airways doesn't want family business and shows it through their seating policy, which is "we've got your money, having a nice flight is up to you."
  • Julie
    good blog, we have done lots of traveling on airtran and they are wonderful and very accomodating. I always check in online right away (day or two before) and assign one of the back rows of the plane to us. I hope they are still the same way.
    Last year we were 2 parents with 2 lap children and I had us all in the same row in the back. however, there are not enough oxygen masks like that so the staff moved us to aisle seats across from each other. My husband traveled alot with my daughter when she was little and one of the other posts are right that men alone with children usually get much better service.

    I would have gone bat-s### crazy if a attendent told me that my kids(15months and 2 years) would have to sit on the other end of the plane alone for any amount of time.

    I really like the solution (posted earlier) of getting the kids lote of puke bags and saying the flight attendents will take them after they puke!
  • Steve Canuck
    Yes, the simplest way to deal with the person sitting next to your child who won't change seats with you is to say "Johnny gets airsick a lot when he flies. You'll want to have a towel on your lap just in case. And can you come up and let me know when he needs to be cleaned up? I'll be the one sitting quietly working on my gin and tonic."
  • I thought Continental was bad when they lost my daughter last summer and then acted like it wasn't a big deal (http://blog.kamens.brookline.ma.us/~jik/wordpress/tag/cleveland-or-newark/?order=asc), but I've come to the realization that in terms of how clear it is that they just don't care about their customers, US Airways is actually worse. There's lots of material proving that on my blog (http://blog.kamens.brookline.ma.us/~jik/wordpress/tag/us-airways/?order=asc), including a comment from another woman who experienced pretty much exactly what Sierra did (http://blog.kamens.brookline.ma.us/~jik/wordpress/2009/03/10/complaint-letter-to-ceo-of-us-airways/comment-page-1/#comment-105347).
  • chezpaul
    I had the same problem with American Airlines. Booked a flight 6 months in advance. Had the seats I wanted for me, my wife and my 3 year old, all seated together close to the entrance.
    We get to the airport and when I do electronic check-in it gives me 3 separate seats in the back of the plane !!! I try to change our seats but am only able to get 2 together and one appart. I ask for help but they say it will be fine once on the plane, I would be able to change my seat. I ask why my original seats were changed, they say it was a last minute change of seating or something. I never quite understood it.

    Of course we get on the plane and it's "stay in your seat" first. I try to nicely talk to the old woman sitting in the isle seat next to my wife's to see if we could change seats, I'm in the isle three rows ahead. She won't change her seat! I ask the flight attendant to ask her if she could change which she does but gets the same answer. She turns to me ans says I'll just have to go back to my seat which I was in for 6 hours.
    It was ridiculous! I was mad the whole flight.
    I'm now flying Virgin. Much better airline, much nicer people.

    And for all those comments talking shit about this post, it's all people who don't have kids and just can't understand it anyway.. or maybe US Airways people...
  • melissa
    same thing happened to us with our five year old.. We RESERVED seats together (Susan H you have no idea what you are talking about) and booked and paid and upon getting out boarding passes at the airport lo and behold not together, the first time we were shocked and I just stood in the asile explaining to other passengers about the situation and finally someone switched with us. The second time we bugged the luggage check person who rerouted our seats but it's totally the dumbest thing ever, if I book three seats and there are three seats together and the plane isn't full when I book I should be able to get three seats together. Like in your case no flight attendants helped me a bit, in fact they never said a word. There was another family like ours on our second flight and I listened as she did the same thing I had done slowly bugging everyone until she could sit with her preschooler!
  • mdoneil
    You sound like an uptight bitch. Nothing personal, you just come off that way.

    I travel for business and I can't count the number of times I've moved to accommodate parents and children or couples that wished to sit together.

    However the plane has to be loaded and everyone seated, even if you have to hold the 2 year old and leave a note on the seat to which the baby is asssigned.

    People will help you, but they will be much more inclined to help you if you don't think the world revolves around you.

    You know the airlines do have telephone numbers which you can call before the flight to re-confirm seats and let them know that you require 3 adjacent seats. Perhaps you should try that next time rather than being such a total pain to everyone involved.

    It would be a lesson for your children, and frankly for you as well on how to behave like a rational adult.
  • Dude, you sound like a sexist jerk. Nothing personal, you just come off that way. Also poor at reading comprehension.

    And I was happy to hold the baby in my arms while everyone boarded and wait for the dust to settle so we could move seats around. I was also happy to take a later flight that had adjacent seats available. I just wasn't willing to leave the baby alone for 20 minutes while the flight boarded, as the flight attendant asked me to do, or to leave her sitting alone for the entire flight as she said I might have to.
  • dusanmal
    Lesson from this experience for parents (if they MUST fly with very young children) is: book very early. Reserve seats you want (if you do it months in advance, this will be easy). Come to airport early armed with reservation documents. If seats are rearranged (can happen) do not relent at the counter until your problem is resolved. If you and someone else share pre-assigned seats, this is the point where you both morally and practically have upper hand. Insist that people double-assigned with your seats are ones who are moved. Without reserving seats in advance or if late at the airport you lose leverage and will on in-flight mercy. Do not rely on any airline policies to suit you, rely on yourself.
  • Steve Canuck
    I was travelling Air Canada a couple of years ago with my two year old son and six year old daughter. Despite having pre-booked seats together with the travel agent (American Express), Air Canada "lost" the seat assignments when we went to check in on the outbound three hour flight. We got the same run around at the gate that you did, but AC claimed it wasn't there fault, the travel agent messed up. We had them confirm the seat assignment for the return trip so we were all together. The gate attendant recognized that splitting the three of us up across a plane wouldn't make for a happy trip for anyone so she took charge and re-organized the seating.

    And on the way home, Air Canada "lost" the seating arrangement again, played blame the travel agent, and we got to do the whole thing again.

    Airlines need to know if you split infants up from their parents, it's going to be a bad flight for everyone.
  • Exactly.
  • Tacoma Weekly
    wow. I think they would of escorted me off the flight. unbelievable. airlines just think they can do whatever they want these days and forget that honest people are paying them for a service and they need to provide customer service.
  • Susan H
    Iam baffled by your story. Has anyone ever asked you to take responsibility for your own actions? You booked the flight, correct? When you book online, you are given the option to select your seats. If you are booking through a travel agent, they would have known you want to sit with your children. So at what point did you decide that you could have your choice of seating, even when those are assigned to others? I sympathize with the distress your children experienced, because they are not at fault. However, you either need to own the fact that you didn't preselect seats and are at fault for random assignments, or explain how this could have happened. Unless you are rebooked from your original flights, where you had seating together, this appears to be an oversight on your part. And as a side note: I would never book a flight that does not have my preferred seating and where I couldn't preselect my rows and seats for my family.
  • The US Airways flight attendant should not have been rude - even though you called her a stewardess - like we all did back in the 1960's. I can't forgive them for their frequent surly attitudes, but I know it comes from working in one of those most dismal industries today - airlines. I would bet anything that you bought tickets either at a discount or close to the travel date - to save money. I am sorry to break the news to you, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You should have purchased tickets much more in advance, and at a possible premium - if indeed sitting next to your kids was a priority. YOU placed a priority on the cost - not your children. The razor-thin margins airlines are afforded today means all of our planes are packed. I fly 4 - 8 flights per week and the WORST thing that can happen to me is having to sit in the middle seat. I go through incredible pains and costs to ensure I get the seat that I want. My last comment is in regard to traveling with children. My wife and I did not put our kids on planes until they were 3 1/2 years of age - an age we felt enabled them to communicate how they were feeling and what they might need. We would have flown with them at a younger age if it was an absolute emergency. I can't believe anyone would subject a small child to the arduous and miserable experience of air travel today. In almost every case it is for some adult-inspired need - and the kid just has to go along. I don't care if Grandma has never seen her grandkids before - SKYPE! YOU put your kids in the situation in which they found themselves. You have nobody to blame but yourself. And good luck getting US Airways to change any policy. They will likely be going out of business soon and your dismal experience with the flight attendant who hates her job is the least of their problems.
  • Allison
    You know, it never ceases to irritate me when I realize that I have read from top to bottom someone else's post only to find that they clearly have not read, well, anyone else's posts and consequently their post reeks equaly of inaccuracy and unearned self-importance.

    Also, paragraphs.
  • Steve Romero
    Hi Allison. I didn't bother with paragraph breaks because so many blogs delete them to save space.

    I admit, I did not read all of the comments - just the initial post - twice.

    I can guess where I may have been innacurate. I spoke from a point of assumption, taking care not to state conjecture as fact. And the only aspect of this was in regard to assuming the ticket purchase was influenced by cost-savings. This may not have been the case, and in some instances, the airlines change seat assignments.

    So I will retract all of my assumptions and revise my response to just this:

    Air travel today is an unpredictable, risky, and potentially miserable experience. I very much embrace the spirit of this blog, and in that spirit, I urge all parents to put their children's welfare first - above all else. Yes, many toddlers and infants have uneventful air travel experiences, but I urge parents not to count on it. I suggest they don't "roll the dice" and take the chance - unless it is an absolute emergency.

    My wife and I have accepted the incredible and unending sacrifices connected with out choice to bear and raise children. We agreed before doing so, to always put their needs first and our needs second.

    So once again, my advice: Don't subject toddlers and infants to air travel today.

    Steve
  • heather
    seriously, I never comment on blogs like this is just a completely idiotic statement based on nothing, car travel can be unpredictable, risky and potentially miserable. While you and your wife may want to martyr yourselves to not take your kids anywhere (and that is your choice) I don't see any legitimate reason to jump from "the airlines lack of customer service and basic common sense when dealing with paying customers who are under age" to "don't roll the dice and fly with children"

    The kid's are paying customers too, flying is amodern way to travel, it isn't magic.

    Airlines need to figure out a way to make their little computers with their big ol brains keep seats booked together seated together and if it doesn't happen right have a plan for what to do with it.
  • frequent traveler
    Ouch! I must have mispoke. My wife and I do not martyr ourselves at all. I was talking about when our children were young (under 4 years of age). This year will mark our 5th year flying to Maui (from SF). I also plan to take them for a second year in a row on my annual trip to Boston when I spend a week with the great folks at MIT. My kids are awesome travelers and my wife is an awesome Travel-Mom. We've had some minor mishaps, but our risk mitigation and advance planning and preparation have come to serve us well. We look forward to our trips and flying for us is fun.

    I think much of our success is due to not "expecting" the degree of customer service and common sense that most others do. These lowered expectations are a direct result of my being a frequent flyer (weekly) for the past 3 years. I have come to personally experience and understand today's awful air travel industry. I am not excusing the airlines, but frankly, I don't even know how they stay in business. They operate on razor-thin margins and they have been hammered - first by 9/11, then by a second oil crisis, and now by a unprecedented global economic downturn.

    Their tollerances are gone and most are hanging on by their fingernails. And all the while, Americans want to fly fast and cheap. It just aint gonna happen.

    Steve
  • Several airlines have remained profitable throughout all the recent crises, and they have tended to be the ones with reputations for treating their customers better, e.g., Southwest and JetBlue.
  • frequent flyer
    Jet Blue is suffering greatly right now - including some stiff pending fines for maintenance errors (I am certain driven by cost-cutting). 2008 was Southwest's first year in red-ink. I haven't seen 2009 financials yet.

    Being a business traveler, I am not a big fan of Southwest. They are a budget operation without the frequent-traveler advantages I enjoy from other airlines i.e. the preferential treatment my miles afford me - that makes travel bearable. And Southwest has become notorious for canceling flights on their busiest routes if the planes aren't packed.

    I admit, for people who fly once or twice a year, Southwest's mostly peppy employees handing out free peanuts and not charging for checked-bags causes other airlines to pale in side-by-side comparisons. But those clever in-flight announcements and low fares quickly lose their luster when you fly 4 - 8 flight segments a week.

    I will say this, if you don't fly much, fly Southwest. The other airlines focus their stellar customer service on their frequent travelers, neglecting the occasional flyer in comparison.

    Steve
  • Steve,
    I appreciate your candor, and advice. An honest question? do all of your children's grandparents live near you? How would you weigh the value of your kids having an opportunity to know their grandparents against the unpleasantness of air travel? My husband's father is 80, and we're planning to fly to Buenos Aires this summer to visit them. It would be nice to avoid that 16 hour flight with young kids, but I think it would be terrible for them to never know their grandparents, and I don't know how many more opportunities they'll have.
  • Frequent Traveler
    Hi Sierra,

    Did you watch Seinfeld? Your question reminds me of one episode where George was childishly attempting to one-up a rival and to do so blurted, "Well, I slept with your wife!" Then a co-worker of his rival stood and said somberly, "His wife is in a coma."

    I wanted to start with that funny story before I mentioned that all but one grandparent have died. Both grandfathers passed before either of my kids (13 and 8) were born and my wife's Mom and best friend and the most amazing human I have personally known, died 3 months before our daughter (the second child) was born. (Not a day goes by without us missing her and we will never "get over it.") So we don't have the "problem" you describe, to the degree that others might. I wish we did.

    My Mother is only 90 minutes away, and my wife does a great job of keeping my kids connected. I say my wife because I am not the "feeling" one in our family (could you tell?).

    All of this being said, I am not the one to turn to with the dilemma of long-distance grandparents. I honestly don't think I am the right person to turn to for advice.

    I can offer this, if there is ample motivation for subjecting a young person to today's potentially miserable air travel experience, it is incumbent upon the adult deciding to do so to plan for the worst, and pray for the best. Preparation and risk mitigation need to be at the forefront of their every move. And they must accept that few will come to their aid if they find themselves in need. It is a harsh reality some may label as overly cynical and pessimistic, but it will serve the subjected children well. Even when I travel alone, I pack heavy - not light. I always check my clothes luggage and I carry a computer and a "comfort bag" on every flight. The latter has everything I need to stay as comfortable as possible if something goes terribly wrong. In addition to what I need, I also carry kid-friendly treats, a couple of very small toys, and family-friendly DVDs - just in case a nearby child is struggling - on the plane, or in the terminal. I do this to help the child placed in the situation, not the parent who placed them there.

    I do hope that your travel is not only uneventful, but a pleasant and rewarding experience.

    Last note, I am new to your blog, but without you having to characterize it as such, I was already certain any question you ask would be honest.

    Steve
  • That's incredibly sad. I wish you had my problem too. I was just thinking how lucky my kids and I are to have such small dramas in our lives - all the big things are so good for us.
  • dusanmal
    Is it better to make infants fly or pay for grandparents to come and visit you? Not just as reaction to the article and post above, but from personal experience. Our kids have seen their grandparents every year (both sides) but first time kids flew to them (12 hr flight) was at the ages of 10 and 8.
  • We flew to see my son's great-grandmothers when he was eight months old. By the time that I booked that flight, I knew his personality fairly well and knew that he was generally laid-back and consolable. I expected it to be hard, but he is the first great-grandchild for one of them, and they are both getting up in years, and neither is able to easily travel (one can't really travel at all, for health reasons).

    Neither is very computer-savvy; to set up a teleconference would have been possible, though, using family in their area to bring over equipment and set it up. What it wouldn't have given them, any more than the numerous pictures I send, is to touch and hold him and see him respond to them - he is a little young to "get" that people on a screen might interact with him. And his snuggles are so precious.

    It actually went really well for us, and the airlines fixed our tickets when they accidentally separated us (also bought in advance, but I wasn't allowed to reserve specific seats by the booking systems, but I was able to see the results and call - also in advance - to get swapped around).

    His grandparents have seen him more than his great-grandmothers, because they can (and do) travel to visit us. But at Christmas we took him to visit them and his aunt & uncle, because his aunt and uncle couldn't get the time off work to visit even if we covered their tickets.

    So it depends on the family situation whether "come to see them" is viable or not, and it also depends on the kids whether plane travel is a viable answer. Assuming, of course, that you trust the airline not to seat you apart. No matter how calm my infant is, he is still an infant and I need to be by him.

    (And yes, we bought him a seat on every flight. That way we could be assured of using the car seat.)
  • It's a good point. I wish my kids' grandparents were more able/willing to travel to us, but it doesn't always work out that way.
  • simonsnowflake
    Lack of preparation on your part is not a problem on the airline's part. They're called RESERVATIONS for a reason. When you buy your ticket next time, reserve your seats and verify them before you arrive at the airport. Airlines allow passengers to check in 24 hours before a flight, and you clearly have Internet access, so you're making much victimhood (and I suspect massive exaggerations) over your own lack of foresight. I realize that this entails a little responsibility (which you seem to have confused with entitlement), but it's what the rest of us do when we fly. Just because you've bred what sounds like a litter, you're not entitled to move passengers who reserved their seats because you were careless--it was your lifestyle choice to have offspring, and you need to think with them in mind, instead of making the flying public deal with your mistakes and lack of personal responsibility by moving around the plane for you.
  • INSANE, did you see Kevin Smiths problems with United?
  • Yes. There was also an incident this week on Spirit Airlines where a family was thrown off a plane because a dad asked for water for his pregnant wife, and a situation where a TSA agent made a 4 year old child remove his leg braces and crawl alone through the security screen. Not a banner week for the airline industry.
  • Paul
    If possible, find the airline's president's email address and dash him off a message. I did that when AirTran screwed me over and I got a free flight out of it (not that I would particularly want to travel with AirTran or US Airways again... even if it were for free).
  • Francis Urquhart
    I once had an encounter with a stewardess on an international flight on Northwest, that went something like this. The stewardess mixed up my requested meal with that of the guy next to me, who could speak no English. I simply informed the stewardess, and she made some very snide remarks to me, including saying that I had an attitude problem (huh?!). I then calmly asked for her name, because I wanted to report her to Northwest. At this point, she claimed I was being "hostile", and that she could have me arrested.

    After the fact, I wrote a letter detailing the circumstances to the CEO of Northwest, and sent it via international express mail from Japan. The company responded very quickly, profusely apologized, and said that they would open up an investigation. So, maybe try that -- write a letter to the CEO of US Air, and send it Express Mail. There is no excuse for flight crew not trying to help out families. I, too, have been asked to move in order to accommodate families with young children, and generally I will do so.

    In the meantime, fly Southwest. Their service is the best of any domestic airline, and they will accommodate families flying together, as there is no advance seat assignments. Even better, check in as early as you can on their website, and you'll be in better shape, as you'll be in the 1st group to board.
  • R
    The last time I checked (about 5 minutes ago), it is entirely possible to select seat assignments when you purchase your airline tickets. Since you are computer-savvy enough to maintain a blog, I would assume (incorrectly, perhaps) that you would know enough to choose seats so that you, your children, and you sister could be seated relatively near each other. After booking, it's also possible to call customer service or reservations and request to have your party seated together. In fact, I did this just a week ago so that a coworker and I who were traveling on separate reservations could sit together. On top of that, it seems that you antagonized a flight attendant and other passengers until you got your way. If I were the flight attendant, I would have been loathe to have any further interaction with you because I wouldn't have been able to hold my tongue.

    Parting shots: DCA-PHX flights are about 5 1/2 hours, not 7. It's highly unlikely that a full fare business passenger would have had a middle seat in the back of the plane. Unaccompanied minor policies are in effect for children without an adult on their itinerary - there's nothing saying they must be seated with their parent/guardian.

    Either way, I'm sure that you will enjoy the free for all on your next Southwest Airlines flight where there are no seat assignments. They begin service from BOS on June 27.
  • Steve Canuck
    Seat switching for families occurs. I travel a lot, take my family with me when possible, and it happens one time out of four.

    The good airlines deal with it and make sure the family is seated together where necessary. Tots and parents - yes. Teens and parents - not always possible. Most common is splitting a family of four into two groups - parent and child. That's not uncommon on the trans-atlantic hauls.

    And yes, this happens with confirmed seats, and top level status. Normally it's when they swap out one type of plane for another, according to the gate agents. But sometimes it seems to be for the heck of it.

    The good airlines deal with it. The bad ones dump it on the passenger.

    My two cents, I would move to any seat in the airplane in order not to be seated next to someone else's toddler, with or without their parent beside them. And I like kids. But I would be especially ticked with the airline if an FA made this the parent's responsibility to negotiated the swap rather than earning their pay and doing the negotiating themselves.

  • Rebeca
    I've been flying with my kids for 8 years and the seat switching (no matter how early you book or check in) is commonplace. And some of you holier than thou condescending voices out there, please note that, YES, it even happens when my husband books the tickets and even a travel agent. And really, no one at the airlines wants to deal with it. "There's nothing we can do about that." You can call customer service, deal directly with agents, but you just get passed from person to person until it is ultimately in the hands of the flight attendants. Sorry flight attendants, but if this isn't your job, you need to speak to all those people who dumped it on you.
  • christa
    I wouldn't REALLY want to leave my screaming kids sitting w/ strangers, BUT, if my kids were cool about it, I'd like to just leave them where they're assigned, let them throw massive fits and sit back to see what the airlines do. Perhaps there's a 20/20 special hiding in this idea. There are plenty of child actors that would be up for a little hidden camera time!
  • GrammiePoet
    An unaccpanied minor is a child travelling alone, without a parent or guardian. Why would you note that "there's nothing saying they must be seated with their parent/guardian" ?
  • Yerawlnutz
    VERY simple. If a child (as young as five or six, depending on the airline) can fly without a parent or guardian being on the plane AT ALL, a child that age or older can most assuredly fly on a plane when their parent is in on the same flight in a nonadjacent seat.
  • Meg
    Yikes. Did you not read any previous comments before leaving your scathing assessment? It doesn't matter if you pick your seats beforehand, they will and do change them without any regard to the ages of the children you are travelling with. About a DOZEN OTHER MOTHERS CONFIRMED THIS within these comments. And it is not antagonizing anybody to insist that your children stay by your side while you figure out what to do next. It's actually a requirement of a good parent.
  • joe smoe
    Glad to see this blog is getting some attention. That is absolutely unacceptable behavior by the airline.
  • seesue22
    Anyone else noticing that the majority of the negative comments are being made by MEN? It's so laughable the ignorance men have to the problems mothers and families have to go through not just in airports and planes but on a daily basis.

    I'm assuming that most of these men either do not have children or never flown with their children. In either case they all sound ignorant and self consumed. And apparently they don't have to time to read the other comments to answer a lot silly statements.

    foolish boys
  • Steve Canuck
    Interesting, one comment I will make is women travelling with young children have a tougher problem than men travelling with children. This is based on years of travel as a dad.

    Back when my kids were toddlers, I did a lot of traveling with them. It used to crack me up to see the special care and attention the female flight attendants gave me vs. the moms who were traveling on their own.

    One instance that jumped to mind was my daughter was 10 months, we had just taken off and she had the biggest BM ever. The plane leveled off and we were allowed to move about, the rear washrooms were already full with a line up. I asked the FA if we could use the business class facilities and she led us up there. On the way back a mom and baby with the same problem was asking also, and was told she should have planned ahead.

    I traveled a lot with two tots, and still do now they are teens. I consistently get better service than the moms. Not fair, but I won't complain.
  • I love you for this! Everyone who has commented wondering why all the
    nastiness is coming from men, check this guy out!

    Also: I will tell you a funny story. One time my husband and I were
    flying home from Argentina with our first baby, and right after
    takeoff her diaper exploded on his lap. I'd packed extra clothes but
    he hadn't and he had to wear my floral skirt for the rest of the flight.
  • I noticed that for sure. I was honestly pretty surprised when people started taking me to task here, and the level of vitriol - I make them sick? I'm a terrible mother? - is pretty surprising. Clearly I touched a nerve here, and one that's not about airline seating.


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  • dbang
    Sierra: at a guess, one of the nerves you may be touching, or at least one you touched for me, is that many of us work in service industries, and deal daily with the expectation of customers that everything be perfect for them at all times, and if not, it is our fault.

    Whether it's being a flight attendant, or waiter, or electrician, or in my case a corporate trainer, we all have stories to tell about things that went awry that were either not our fault at all, or were partially our fault and partially that of the customer themselves -- either having unrealistic expectations, or having not met their side of the social contract.

    Your use of the word "hate" in the headline for this post was guaranteed to evoke strong responses - I presume that was your intent. Since I deal with customers as part of my job, I immediately imagined how I would react to a post entitled "[My Company] Hates Their Clients" including a rant in which I was featured. You can bet I'd respond defensively.

    Your post contained a lot of detail about what the folks whose jobs it is to serve you did wrong, but little detail about what YOU did ahead of time to help it go right. Did you check in early? Reserve your seats ahead of time? Etc. It reminds me of an angry letter my boss once received from a client in one of my classes about how rude I was and how terrible the class was...and the letter didn't happen to mention that the customer didn't have the class prerequisites and had not done the agreed on setup beforehand.

    For those who work providing customer service, your post reads an awful lot like a classic tale of a customer taking no responsibility while laying all the blame at the feet of the workers. I'm surprised at YOUR surprise at the vehement response you got.
  • I don't think the vicious personal insults aimed at me and my kids
    (the worst of which I've deleted) are simply a reaction to my being a
    demanding airline customer.

    People saying I should have been more organized, resolved it before
    the day of travel, spent more money for better seating or a better
    itinerary: sure. It turns out most of those critiques are wrong, but
    they're all valid questions.

    Calling me a terrible mother because this happened is something else.

    After speaking with the airline, I don't see a lot I could have done
    differently to improve things, nor do I think my behavior is
    particularly relevant. The airline seating system should work whether
    I'm an unholy bitch or the Dalai Lama.
  • Tim
    Calling you a terrible mother is par for the course for blogging about parenting on the Internet. I'm not sure it has anything to do with the content of your post.

    I have to agree with dbang: if you have a strong case for mistreatment here, you haven't made it. You say "it turns out most of these critiques are wrong," but you don't explain why they're wrong. Reading your two posts bring to mind one immediate question: why on earth didn't you address this problem immediately with the airline when you received your boarding passes?

    That appears to be the real reason this became such a tense and nightmarish incident. If it had been handled in advance, away from the stressful environment of the aircraft during boarding, it might have been resolved with less rancor -- or at the very least you would have been prepared for the extra stress on the day of the flight.

    It seems like you're dodging this question, and dodging the question only makes it seem more curious, like you have something to hide. Frankly, this could be a horrific and outrageous account even if we knew that you failed to recognize or resolve the problem ahead of time. But the fact that you don't even seem to think you had that responsibility reflects poorly on you, and diminishes your account.
  • Tim, I'm really not trying to hide anything. Please believe I'm doing the best I can with extremely limited internet access and a busy week solo parenting. I'm working on a post about how I got the tickets and when/how these issues could have been resolved, since apparently Everyone Cares A Lot. Could I have been better prepared? TOTALLY. Would it have made any difference? APPARENTLY NOT.

    US Airways policy is to refuse to allow these issues to be handled in advance of boarding. My next trip is still almost a week away, but two days ago their executive customer service rep told me the best she could do for me was to assign me four "good seats" apart from each other that someone would almost certainly be willing to swap. I can call customer service again, check in early, talk to the gate agents, etc., but I'm pretty sure none of it will help. I'll still be trying to swap seats with other ticketed passengers after we get on the plane.
  • amadea
    She's said a few times now (and in fact, begins the entire account by saying) that she immediately brought the situation up to the gate agent, only to be told that the gate agent did not have the means to fix the problems, and that she needed to board the plane and speak to the airline staff on the plane. She's also made a pretty good case for the various reasons she felt it necessary to follow that directive.
  • Yerawlnutz
    But she doesn't say when she got the boarding passes and discovered the problem.
  • seesue22
    What's funny about all these comments are that they are taking your situation and skewing the perspective. Talking to you like you were demanding and rude and expecting preferential treatment when all you were doing was expecting simple customer service. What you got instead was patronizing impatient words and less than stellar help from someone whose job is to be anything but rude and ignorant. With all the ticketing problems aside the real issue is the Flight Attendant's actions towards you that is most appalling to me. Customer Service in the country has dwindled to "it's not my problem." Customers are a dime a dozen and if you don't like the service it's okay to go to a competitor because they are just as bad and their customers are coming to us.

    Other part I like is, you're a blogger! This isn't a national media news source. This site was created so that you could write about your personal experiences and opinions. I get differences of opinions and all that but if they didn't like what you are writing all they have to do is leave the site not personally attack you and your family for your opinion of an experience you had. I didn't expect to read that and as a mom who travels with a 3 year-old and an 8 month-old I completely understand. My daughter has severe food allergies and no matter how much you plan and organize and schedule, things never go according to plan when flying and you do your very best to make things work and watch out for your children's safety. Even if that means you move out your comfort zone and insist for help in situations you're not willing to ignore. That's not asking for preferential treatment that is asking for customer service.

  • Tom
    Why do you assume that because you have kids that the rules do not apply to you and your kids? I can not wait for an all business airlines with no kids allowed. And I have 2 great kids, but I will not take them on a plane until they are at least 12. If it is important enough to go, it is important enough to drive.
    -Tom
  • Lola
    Why are all the idiotic comments on here being made by men?!
  • Good Question
  • Erin
    I wish you luck on that six day three thousand mile drive to cross the country. Perhaps you're lucky enough to live within a day's drive of all the people you might ever want to see, but some of us have family and friends on the other side of the country, or even, gasp, internationally.
  • Spoken like someone whose parents live on the same continent as his kids. We probably will drive to Arizona next time, but my husband's family are all in Buenos Aires. Should we drive there?


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  • Allison
    I'm confused. Did you PURCHASE seats that were together and then they didn't honor that reservation or does US Airways not provide seat assignments at the time you purchase your seats?
  • Channing
    Wow, this sounds really stressful and I'm sorry that you and the kids went through this. I have many hazy childhood memories of flying with my mom on cheap, non-optimal flights to visit her mother. I still avoid United and O'Hare in no small part because of those experiences.

    Here's my take, in short: US Airways has a particular way of handling seat assignment, and it appears to be particularly bad for parents with small children. Hate may be a strong word, but I definitely think that parents with small children shouldn't fly with them. US Airways management has made a clear, intentional business decision to structure their reservation system this way. They get what they deserve, vitriol included. In the future, if you're flying with kids, I'd recommend an airline that lets you choose your seats ahead of time. Specifically, I'd recommend JetBlue.

    At a little more length, I think there's something missing from this thread. I'm only a frequent passenger, not an airline operations expert, but my understanding is that the reservation system -- the computer system but far more importantly the algorithm by which passengers get assigned particular seats -- is a pretty major part of airline operations and has huge financial consequences for their business. Given how many different systems I've seen recently, I'd say that this is a pretty hot area of experimentation right now and that airlines see an opportunity here to improve how they do business.

    From what I can tell from their website, US Airways system is that you can choose seats starting three days before your flight. My first impression is that this system would be difficult for the average person to navigate. It is certainly a bad choice for someone with kids. I think that, with the right skills, a person could work this system to their advantage. I think that *those* people should fly US Airways, and if it works for them, great. In the real world, though, US Airways has been notorious for *years* for having terrible operations, and this is probably a symptom of their desperate, clawing struggle to survive. Someone else dinged their customer service; I can't speak to that because I've scrupulously avoided flying with them for at least the past decade.
  • Wow. Thanks for that thoughtful critique of the business end of
    things. So helpful.
  • ayala
    so... maybe its connected to me being a social worker -- but in reading about your experience (awful! horrible! traumatizing!) and the comments (some people really are really mean just to be mean)... I wonder what can be done on a policy level. Though it seems like US Air was especially terrible displayed HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE... it also seems like a number of people commented that this problem happens on other airlines and is inherent in the reservation system. If so -- how can we as parents and people who dont want to sit next to a freaked out kid, advocate for something different?

    I'd be curious to see what we can mobilize...
  • I'm having the same reaction. I thought this a US Airways problem, but seeing so many people comment about their horrific experiences with this issue on other airlines makes it clear that it's an industry-wide problem. It really needs to be changed at the policy level - leaving it up to individual moms and individual flight attendants to sort out is a recipe for disaster.


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  • Allison
    I'm usually just a business traveler, and I'm pretty proficient because of how often I fly. In my time on pretty much every carrier that serves the midwest, I have personally been:
    moved to a different plane, moved to a different seat, "waitlisted" (sorta like standby) despite checking in and purchasing an actual seat, rerouted to different airports, denied food on an international flight because they "ran out", sat on a tarmak for 2.5 hours and not allowed to use the restroom, and my favorite didn't actually happen to me, but on a flight out of ORD to I believe Raleigh, I watched a mom go balistic when she got seated on the plane, but her 8 year old son got pumped to a later flight because the flight was overbooked. For real.

    I have ZERO problem believing that these issues happen all. the. time. I also have ZERO problem believing that the flight staff are completely unhelpful in addressing them.
  • This happened to me when my son was two years old, except that it was a Southwest flight. They gave me the same "scripted" answer about maybe another passenger would be willing to switch seats. Thank God that a nice lady wanted to sit next to her friend and gave up her seat! She immediately upon hearing me talk to the flight attendant gave up her seat. I applaud you for keeping your cool because I don't think I would have been able to. I have the utmost respect for flight attendants, they have a hard job and my sister was one for years(with US Airways), but it sounds like the one on your plane......she needs some refresher customer service training. She could have been nicer than she was and a little bit more helpful. When it happened to me it was 3 years ago and there really needs to be a change in all of the airline policies for flying with small children. It's nice that they at least let you board first but separating toddlers/preschoolers from their parents is just idiotic. And to people that say it's because you didn't book together or you got budget/last minute seats....that is not always the case. I didn't book separately (that would be dumb and impractical) or buy a budget ticket. They just randomly assigned our seats and they just so happened not to be together. So....this is up to the airlines to fix. I have flown with my son on a buddy pass and NEVER had an issue with us not being seated next to one another. And I don't think US Airways is the bad guy in this because I have flown with them a lot with my son. You had a flight attendant who could have handled a bad situation in a much better way.
  • Madeline
    you should take your case to Chris Elliott - www.elliott.org
  • Tanith
    You have every right to be outraged, and I think you should be compensated for the mistreatment you received. And not just in frequent flier miles. In money. Say, the cost of your fares combined plus therapy for the kids.

    Don't think I'm not serious.

  • million mile guy
    I would be interested to know how much you paid for your tickets and where and when you bought them? If you were a good mother, then you would've ensured you were seated together when purchasing your tickets and not expect a computer reservations system and a company that carries 50 million people around the world each year to do everything for you. Further, if you were not able to select seats together when booking your flight, then either select a different flight time, or contact US Airways' 800 number, explain your situation and ask the representative to help you with seat selection in advance of your flight (even if that means you have to pay $20 extra to book a ticket - what? Your kids aren't worth $20 to you?). I am amazed at you people that show up to the airport totally unprepared with your children in-tow and expect other people to take responsibility for your poor planning and poor decision making ability. Honestly, take some responsibility for yourself and stop blaming other people for your own ignorance. I'm certainly happy that you are unhappy with the situation, as it ensures that I will never have to worry about dealing with you on one of my future US Airways flights. Next time you wish to spend $150 on a roundtrip ticket and expect to receive 1st class service, maybe you should consider taking a bus.
  • frequentflyingmeg
    Million Mile Guy, did you even READ the post before replying? She booked seats together and the airline changed them. You comment on the writer's "poor choices," but it looks like you have poor reading comprehension skills. And your comment implying that the writer is not a "good mother" shows your blatant misogyny as well. You obviously have issues with women and children who use airplanes to travel. Perhaps you should start your own blog to contain your obnoxious ranting, rather than sharing it here.
  • yerawlnutz
    frequentlyflyingmeg: "Million Mile Guy, did you even READ the post before replying? She booked seats together and the airline changed them. "

    Well, no, I don't see that in the blog anywhere. What she said was that (at some identified point between purchase and boarding, she _noticed_ that her boarding pass was for 5D while her daughters were both in row 26... and then SHE DEMANDED that the airline change her seat (specifically "Here’s my boarding pass, change my seat assignment.").
  • MP
    I call bullshit. I firmly believe that the people sitting near all of this would have offered up their seats if it really happened. I don't think we're getting the whole truth on this one.
  • Allison
    I don't think the issue is whether someone would or would not give up their seat. I think the problem is the procedure for accomplishing that end. As the mother of a 17 month old, if a flight attendant told me I had to leave that child essentially unattended for 5 minutes (much less for the entire duration it takes for a fully seated plane to board), I would lose my shit. And so would my daughter. That is why the process needs to be completed before boarding the plane and it clearly needs to be overseen and organized by flight personnel - to avoid putting a toddler in a seat alone and unsupervised while waiting for the dust to settle.

    The procedure as it is now, creates MORE "dust" by separating parents from very young children while everyone boards the plane, finds their seat, stows their luggage, puts their seat belts on, and takes out their Sbarro's pizza slice. THEN parents are left to shop around their sob-story about how they desperately need someone to put their pizza away, get up, move their luggage, etc...
    This is asinine. As is the suggestion that the airline/stewardess/flight attendant/gate check agent doesn't have the authority to require a passenger to give up his or her seat. I've had flights that were rerouted to different AIRPORTS. I'm not seeing how an airline could, with a straight face, act like they lack the "authority" to move a passenger from row 13 to row 19 so that a child could sit with his parent.
  • Tamara
    Really?? Read through the comments and see if you still think that. Several people commented quite rudely that they would not have helped her by offering to trade as it was her own fault. And I have seen people refuse firsthand - usually they do not want the dread middle-seat.
  • patricia_K
    I hate to be the odd one out, but I recently flew US Airways with my lap baby (11 mo. old) and experienced great service. Everyone went out of their way to help me. Unlike Southwest, they never demanded a birth certificate that the state has not sent yet or a shot record that she does not have. Out of the dozen flight attendants, we only encountered one rude one. (She insisted that I remove my baby from her carrier, take off the carrier and then hold my baby. She said it was "in case anything happened to me, they could get to my baby." ???) This was balanced by one who went out of her way to play and interact with my baby, brought her a box of tissues for her runny nose due to teething, did not mind at all the horrible mess this made and changed my seat to one with two oxygen masks. She said that if the seat was assigned to anyone else, she would take care of it, not to worry.

    My heart goes out to you and your girls. I'm so sorry you encountered such rudeness during your travels.
  • Seesue22
    Actually, on all Airlines its required you have either a birth certificate or a copy of their shot records because if a TSA personnel saw you trying to check in without any ID for your child the airline could be fined $10,000 dollars and YOU could be fined $10,000 and not be allowed to fly until you can produce a valid record. If they don't ask for it then they aren't following TSA requirements. We were told this by a counter personnel when we tried to check our baby in without any ID. You are lucky.
  • patricia_K
    Yikes! It sounds like I was lucky. However, I could not find anything on TSA's website pertaining to this. US Airways only recommends that a birth certificate be brought. I actually sought out a counter personnel when I noticed that my child did not have a boarding pass. The response I got was: "Well, if it will make you feel better ma'am. What's your daughter's name? How old is she?" And they wrote that on my boarding pass. I found this rather disconcerting, but did not want to argue.
    I wish there was some consistency in the policies and how they are enforced, and that they were family friendly policies.
  • seesue22
    That's curious that it's not on their website but I would call the Airlines next time before you fly and ask their requirements. I know I'm not the only one to run into this problem but to be on the safe side I would call ahead next time and make sure you can do everything on your part to make thing go smoothly. I'd hate it if someone got screwed over by an airline because of their lack of informing their passengers.
  • amadea
    I keep hearing commenters say things like "But Sierra didn't handle the situation optimally/But the flight attendant didn't handle the situation optimally - if she had, there wouldn't have been a problem." Systems that only work when people behave optimally are not systems that work. That's why policies need to be in place to handle situations like this rather than leaving it to the good will and problem-solving skills of passengers/flight attendants/travelers.
  • Fudge
    Best way to avoid it: do online check in 24 hours before the flight. It saves you line time when you get to the airport, and you can assign your own seats and print the boarding passes with those numbers from whatever seats are available. If you get a seat number before that with your ticket it will 'save' that until then.
    Really, there is little way for the airlines to know who MUST have group seats, and who would just like them... and many children do fly for trips unattended - especially if one parent lives far away.
  • Sara Amis
    Nonsense. You have to go through a special process to send an unaccompanied minor on a trip. Any group of adult + children NEEDS to sit together. It's not hard to figure out.
  • GrammiePoet
    And when a child travels as an "Unaccompanied Minor" the parents have paid extra! When my grandson was a minor flying to visit his grandparents about 12 years ago, it was $35 extra each way - and had to be paid by the person accompanying the minor to the gate.
  • How infuriating and frustrating. Nice job holding it together.

    I don't know why I find the vitriolic comments so surprising; I'm always surprised at some people's nasty attitudes towards mothers, no matter what the situation.

    This sounds like a horrendous situation in which you were met repeatedly with the blank face of airport bureaucracy at its absolute worst. Airlines being airlines, I don't have high hopes that they'll even apologize for this, but hopefully this story will be widely broadcast in bigger media.

    I hope your girls recover and forget this soon, and I truly hope your return flight(s) are peaceful and uneventful.

    So as not to smear all airlines, I'd like to add that JetBlue was very kind when we were traveling with our toddler (asking another passenger to give us an extra seat, without our requesting it). I know they don't go everywhere and they are not always the cheapest, though.
  • We've always had great experiences with Jet Blue.

    I was shocked by the vitriol too - and deleted the worst of it.
    Apparently some people just really dislike moms and kids? I don't know.
  • KristenKa
    Southwest doesn't have assigned seating and allows moms with small kids to board before everyone else to make sure they get necessary seating. (ELderly people also get to board first). Southwest is by far the best airline in the country. US Air is by far the worst. We flew (with a bunch of kids) to Mexico on US Air last month and it was probably the very worst trip of my life... On the way there, they changed our flight gate and time FOUR TIMES, causing me to haul my small children repeatedly all over the terminal and in the end almost miss the flight despite being there 4 hours prior to the international flight. We were 2 days late getting back, stuck in Mexico for 2 days and they refused to even pay for a long-distance phone call so we could let our employers know we weren't going to be at work. All this was due to a , quote, "problem with the crew." (What? They got arrested for drug possession? Too drunk to fly? What?)

    Good for you for standing up to this scumbag airline (which, by the way, will surely be bankrupt any day now).
  • Yerawlnutz
    Southwest does not allow this, and has not for some time. They still board in zones - A / B / C - but probably due to complaints about the unfair advantage enjoyed by parents of YOUNG children - Southwest now allows all the passengers to hold "A" boarding cards first, THEN the parents with children four and under (not the whole kit and kaboodle, just the immediate family) and then moves on to the "B" and "C" boarding card holders.
  • I've been on several flights with my husband and small children (3 and 5 years old) where the kids have been assigned seats all by themselves far away from ours. The most recent times were with United and American Airlines, and both were international flights. Both times, we'd booked tickets months in advance, and both times we'd picked our seats at the time of booking. In one case, there were no seats available so we couldn't pick seat assignments and had to figure it out on check in at which point we were assigned 4 single seats far apart from each other. The second time, there were available seats to choose online, but no two together. Again we had to sort it out at the gate.

    I had always assumed, like in the post, that the airlines understood they HAD to seat children with their caregivers so I'd never worried. And in fact in both cases, flight attendants asked people to switch with us once on board and it wasn't a problem. But I had no idea it could turn in to this!

    I agree the issue is operational procedures and policies of the airlines. This problem should be solved WAY before people are actually on the airplane.
  • mikecotton
    Sierra,

    Southwest Airlines is the answer to your problem. They're inexpensive, they fly out of Logan and into Tuscon, they don't have assigned seats so this is never an issue unless the plane is full and you get on late in the boarding process, and the flight attendants are quite vocal about asking other passengers to help solve this problem all the time. I hear them do it from time to time, but they seldom *need* to do it because parents with small children get to board no later than 60th out of 136. As a bonus, you don't have to endure the flight attendants attempting to get you to sign up for a U.S. Airways Visa card like a deaf person handing out pens at a cafe, hoping you'll pay them a dollar for it.

    It's simply a better system, and one I am happy to laud in public and support with my travel dollars. As a bonus, beer and cocktails are cheaper on the airplane than they are in the airport.

    U.S. Airways is one of the worst-run companies of any kind on Earth. I feel all kinds of sympathy and pity for their employees, but I will never set foot on one of their aircraft again.
  • Justice4All
    I fail to see how the blatantly sexist "stewardess flight attendant" helps you tell your story. They were wrong, but does your second wrong make a right?
  • amadea
    To me, what the stewardess/flight attendant detail adds to the story is that it suggests this is someone who cares very much about the description of her job even as she is failing to do it. I think that is a relevant detail in terms of how maddening the situation was.
  • Point.
  • Brynn
    I don't have kids, so I am never flying US Airways. How the hell could I take care of someone's toddler that ended up next to me with a parent many aisles away? It's not like the flight attendants are going to take care of them, given how much concern they showed about it happening in the first place. Alternatively I'll have to give up my seat because I'm not an asshole - why have assigned seating at all if you're just going to make people play musical chairs for your amusement?
  • Kaz
    Hey, Sierra this is Kaz.
    I just forwarded this blog entry to the folks I work for.
    Mainly because they are planning to fly with their baby boy in a few months and I wanted them to know about this.
    What a terrible experience for you and the the girls!
    I'm beyond sorry you had to cope with this.
    About the only thing I am glad about in regards to your experience is that you are trying to inform others as well as act as some kind of catalyst in correcting what is surely a bad policy.
  • I assure you this woman is correct, the same thing happened to us and we bought our tickets months in advance and like all other mothers, picked the seats at the time of purchase. However, when we checked in they were all over the plane with our two year old 14 rows from the closest parent. We paid for the two year old's seat, so he could be in the FAA preferred car seat. Another added headache, car seats must be at a window seat. When my husband asked that they change the error, they said they could not (long before boarding) and that we would need to ask someone onboard to switch (how do you do this with people boarding, 14 rows apart and you aren't allowed to keep your toddler with you?) When my husband asked her if the passengers and/ or the airline were responsible for our child, she replied, "No! Parents are responsible for their children at all times!" This came with a nasty look and eye- roll behavior that as a well- seasoned traveler I found out of the ordinary and appalling.
  • megkeough
    It sucks, but is getting really common. With airlines blocking seats as "premium" seats, you can book well in advance and get crummy seating. I have been in this situation on three flights. Calling the airline doesn't help. On one flight the gate staff fixed it before we boarded (A++ United gate staff at BOS, and only BOS). The other two times, we/I just talked with the passengers around us and we always found someone willing to change.

    In some states it would be against the state law to leave a child unattended. In CT, it is a crime punishable by up to a year in prison to leave a child under 12 unattended in a public place. (Helicopter state, I mean 12yo?!) Call the local police and ask them what you should do. That might motivate a flight attendant, because there is no way you will depart on time.
  • Dg
    One problem is that some ticketing/reservations system don't let you see seating information before you book. If you want to buy 3 tickets for your family to travel somewhere, in some cases it isn't until you've paid for the tickets that you get your seat assignments and realize that you've bought the last 3 tickets on the flight and your seats are spread out all over the airline. Some sites (like jetblue's) are better about this than others. Some sites like orbitz appear to only allow you to state a general preference for seating (e.g. aisle vs window).
  • And some, like Travelocity, let you pick seats sometimes and only specify preferences others...and don't tell you what you'll be facing until you buy.
  • Having been a flight attendant in many similar situations, I can tell you from experience that this isn't as easy a problem to solve as you might think it is.

    This is a problem that should have been resolved BEFORE it got the plane. Whether it was by making a seat selection earlier (not always possible, I know), calling the airlines when you first realized that there was a problem, and then dealing with an agent (or requesting a supervisor) on the ground. There's plenty of room for lots of better choices all the way around.

    But once the problem gets to the airplane, flight attendants have limited options as to how to resolve the situation.

    I'm not entirely sure how far away your seats really were. You say that you were at the opposite ends of the plane, two rows away, and that your daughter was in the row behind you.

    The seat issue can not be resolved with everyone standing in the aisle. Nor can it be done before other passengers are on the plane and flight attendants can figure out who would be willing to move, where empty seats are, etc. It's a matter of assessing our resources. I have explained that many times to a parent who, unwilling to hear the part where I would help resolve the problem, focused solely on my need to get the family out of the aisle so people could get to their seats and I could access the resources to solve the problem.

    I would never keep a family with young children separated like that. But to just plop down in a seat and appropriate it does nothing to help me solve the problem. Additionally, it sound like there were middle seats involved, and there aren't many passengers who will volunteer squish themselves in a middle seat for a 7 hour flight.

    We cannot force someone to move from their assigned seat. We have to navigate the delicate balance of factors, trying to create a win/win situation when one is not possible.

    I think there may have been more issues in play that you might have been aware of.
  • KristenKa
    I'm sorry, but YES YOU CAN force someone to move from their assigned seat. It's not like assigned seating on airplanes carries some federal regulations or anything. It's not in the Constitution that folks are allowed to sit wherever they "book" a seat on an airline. Southwest has NO assigned seating, thank God, and they do not have these kinds of problems.
  • No, we cannot force anyone to move from their seat.

    When things escalate to that level there are people on the ground we are empowered to make that decision. When the aircraft is at the gate, it is under the control of ground agents. We can ask, persuade, cajole, encourage and bribe, but if it doesn't work we call for ground assistance.

    I'm continually amazed at those who aren't flight attendants telling those who are what policy they should follow. We are obligated to follow the policy of our airline when things escalate.

    I would never allow a family with young children to be separated. I may, however, need some time to find a solution. Just give me time and space to do it. And stop telling me what my job is when you have no clue.
  • DrNancy
    I am not a flight attendant, but I do know that they most certainly CAN have passengers switch to another seat. What if it is an exit row and the person is not qualified...they can make them switch. It is a safety issue. If someone has a physical infirmity and has to sit in the bulkhead...they can make a passenger switch. I contend that having a two year old sit between two strangers could also pose a safety hazzard. Or, what if there is an emergency (in the air, at landing, etc.). I would think USAirways would not want the liability of having someones toddler child away from the responsible adult.
  • Bev
    If I were traveling on a long flight I would most certainly not move to a center seat to accomodate a person with children. Why didn't they make sure they had seats together before they purchased the ticket? I reserved my aisle seat when I made my booking. Now I have to sit in a center seat because someone didn't bother to book their seats together? It wasn't an airline mistake, it was your mistake. Sorry to sound harsh but it's true.
  • Don't like it? Talk to US Airways. Their company policy, as they explained to me today, is to ask the other passengers to swap seats with parents so they can sit with their kids.

    http://childwild.com/2010/02/17/us-airways-polite-still-not-helpful/
  • Tamara
    Actually when you see a family that is not assigned seats together, you should not assume that you know why they are not together. It has happened to us several times where we book our tickets well in advance and choose seats together. Then as the flight date approaches, they make some flight changes, or airplane changes and scatter our seats. I have called the airline on the phone, asked at check-in and asked at the gate and been told they cannot do anything. What else can I do?
  • Another Mother
    Jeez, try reading before you comment harshly. She and I and a thousand other mothers DID purchase tickets together. THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY CHANGE THEM. Yes, really, they do. Without telling you. And Northwest told me the exact same thing...get on the plane with your 3 year old and ask someone to switch. I refused to do that (with yelling) and they "found" me seats together in the hidden row (13) at the back of the plane. So it looks like many airlines have the policy of shifting the responsibility to the flight attendents.
  • You are mistaken, DrNancy, and it is because you aren't, as you said, a flight attendant. There is a FAR requirement regarding exit row seating. It, like ALL seat assignments, should be resolved prior to getting on the plane. But if it's not, we are required by law to remove a person from an exit row. Please note that is "remove" from the exit row - not switch to another seat. (Fortunately, however, people are usually accommodating.)

    As a flight attendant, I cannot force a passenger to move to another seat. I can encourage, bribe (complimentary cocktail), and plead. But I cannot make someone give up their seat to move to another one. I've had people refuse to relocate. When that happens, I have to call a ground agent to come resolve the problem. If it can't be resolved, the passenger(s) is accommodated on another flight. I have had it pushed to that point -- although thankfully, it doesn't happen often.

    Please don't misunderstand my position. I do not think it is okay to split up a family with young kids. It's not good for the kids, the family, the passengers, or for anyone. The situation needed to be resolved, and it eventually was.

    All I'm saying is that there may have been lots more going on that was readily apparent. And yes, there may have been very poor communication skills. But it is a huge jump from there to an airline hating kids.
  • DrNancy
    While I might not be a flight attendant, I HAVE seen them force passengers to move to a different seat for one reason or another (exit row, passenger too large for the seat, other physical infirmity, etc). In fact, my sister was once forced to "rearrange" seating with her two sons because she was in first class and another first class passenger was irritated that the boys were allowed up in first class with her! She was told to comply or take the next available flight!!!

    So, no I am not wrong or perhaps I have been on several flights where the flight attendants were breaking the law by requiring passengers to change seats. Unless those attendants were not in compliance, there have, in fact been cases where they require a passenger to move.

    While I agree that there is a huge jump to an airline "hating" families, I do think families are such a low priority to them because they don't make as much revenue as business passengers. While I understand that airlines are not non-profit organizations, they can be reasonable in providing this service.

    No where else would I be legally allowed to leave my two year old for hours on end in the presence of complete strangers. In a library, could I park my child in another section while I spent a few hours somewhere else? How about a grocery store? Leave my child in aisle 1, while I browse the produce section? Of course not! But it is OK to do it on a plane?



  • Mary Jo,

    We were seated separately on three different flights, which is why I have different distances in different parts of the story.

    I did speak with more than one gate agent and a supervisor before getting on the plane, and they instructed me to get on the plane and let the flight attendants sort it out. They also refused to let us switch to another flight, which I offered several times to do before and after we got on the plane. The gate agents led to me believe I would be forfeiting my tickets entirely if I didn't get on the plane.

    I never "just plopped down in a seat and appropriated it" - I tried to cooperate with the request to go to our assigned seats, and when my kids freaked out, I moved to stand in a seat next to my five-year-old's assigned seat, holding her hand and holding my toddler on my hip to try keeping them both calm, waiting to be told where we could sit or if we needed to get off and wait for another flight.

    When the person assigned to that seat came along, I offered to move, but she didn't want the seat because she had been separated from her own child and was insisting on being moved to sit with him. I never sat down until the flight attendant - rudely - said that I could.

    I'm not really sure what else I could or should have done.

    And even if I was an irresponsible bitch, that doesn't change my basic complaint: that US Airways should have a system in place to ensure that young children are seated with their parents on all flights. As I said in my post, even if I *wanted* to sit at the opposite end of the plane from my two-year-old, the airline should ensure that doesn't happen.

    They should flag children's tickets and ensure before anyone gets on a plane that kids are seated with the adults they are traveling with. And they should train their flight attendants to deal with these things in a polite, respectful manner.

    I'm sure a lot of US Airways employees are nice people who are great with kids. That doesn't change the fact that this is an extremely anti-family policy they have as a company.
  • christa
    Even Southwest, with their "grab a seat as you board" policy, lets families with small children board first so they are not split up.
  • Hi Sierra,

    Thank you for clearing up some of my confusion. And please -- I do not think what happened is acceptable. I don't fly for US Airways, so I don't know their specific policies, but since most are quite similar, I'm trying to present another side to what can happen.

    This absolutely needs to be handled on the ground before anyone boards. I think the agents were just passing the problem onto someone else instead of dealing with it. That's wrong. Flight Attendants don't have the tools to handle it on board, and are supposed to refer it to an agent for resolution. I'm not sure if it helps (in an immediate situation) or hurts (because it lets agents believe that we will always handle it) when we get people to rearrange once on board.

    With the pressure to get flights out on top, the ground agents compromised customer service and doing the right thing to getting passengers on the time and the flight out on time. It's wrong.

    But I would hate for anyone to think that mishandling a situation rises to the level of a policy to separate parents and children. That simply isn't the case. It's also not abandoning a child, which has a totally different legal meaning. Nor do I think this is, as your title states, a company that hates families and kids.

    It is crappy service from people who should have done a better job.

  • Tamara
    I agree that the airline employees are playing a game of "not my problem." I was so surprised to see that you said they should have handled it before boarding because I have seen this numerous times and the people on the phone, at the check in desk and at the gate ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS say to handle it on board, which as someone noted is so hard!
  • Interesting. I've flown Delta/Northwest and been seated away from my son (under 1 year old, but flying as infant-in-a-seat) and in each case they've resolved it before the gate. In all but one case, it was resolved on the phone before I even got to the airport - they were very helpful. In the other case, I hadn't been able to view the seats before arriving at the airport, due to technical issues. I got the boarding passes; the ticketing counter told me to handle it at the gate. The gate agent rearranged seats, and it was all sorted out before we boarded.

    I've had the same experience with another airline, but I'm afraid I can't remember which one to give positive feedback, which is a pity.
  • Um, she did, in fact, talk to an agent, and then a supervisor, on the ground, and they told her to deal with the issue on the plane. And, if the flight attendant was indeed willing to help solve the problem once all passengers were seated, it sounds like she did an impressively effective job of concealing it.
  • I understand that it may not have felt like the flight attendant was handling the situation, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't being worked on. It's impossible to deal with this issue with kids screaming, people refusing to get out of the aisle or to take a temporary seat.

    I'm not saying that the flight attendant did a great job of communicating (she probably didn't), but I'm also not completely convinced that the story is completely as described here. There are usually a dozen sides to stories like this, no one story being correct. When I read a generalization about one bad customer experience equating to an entire airline (and all of its employees) hating children, I have to take it all with a grain of salt.

    What really happened on board that day is probably less one-sided that may be portrayed here.
  • christa
    Well, it's a blog, not a newspaper article, so she's telling HER side, HER opinion. Maybe the Flight Attendant has a blog somewhere.
  • No it is not, it has happened to us more than once as well.
  • David
    I'm sorry to say, but if your seats weren't with your kids and there was no remedy other than hoping someone on the plane would agree to switch seats with you, then you shouldn't have gotten on the plane. Getting on with seat assignments you knew were unacceptable, and not working it out before you boarded, was your fault. Not the airlines' fault. Your fault. Granted, the situation sucked and you would have been inconvenienced, but you should have never gotten on that plane without seat assignments next to your kids. As all of us with kids know, they can be a giant inconvenience at times. But you accept it as the price for having kids, you don't make someone else pay that price.
  • Sara Amis
    She bought the tickets, noting the ages of her children because that's part of the process. The fact that the airline doesn't automatically put parents next to small children as a matter of course is, indeed, their fault, because it's an obvious problem that any fool could see a mile away. The fact that the gate agent TOLD her to get on the plane and see if someone would switch with her instead of solving the problem right there is, indeed, the airline's fault. The fact that a supervisor also, and then the flight attendant, tried to pass this problem off on the passengers is, in fact, their fault. It's their job to make sure that things run smoothly and obvious problems are avoided and unexpected problems are solved FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS. Including the ones under the age of 18 and their accompanying adults.

    I frankly don't believe that you actually have children. Either that, or you're never actually their primary caregiver, or you'd know better than to think that choosing to spend an unknown amount of time in an airport as the sole parent with two children under six while you argue with an airline was the obvious better option. That's completely insane.

    I find people's willingness to blame her for obvious airline stupidity nearly as appalling as the initial situation. Thanks for lowering my estimation of humanity even further.
  • christa
    RIGHT! Whether or not children are involved, we are paying customers. We have a right to expect a certain level of service. Please don't forget that our children are PAYING CUSTOMERS too. Those seats they occupy don't come with a child discount! And because US Airways has a crappy policy (or non-existent) for dealing with families, we can choose to NOT fly with them, we can choose to blog about it and WARN OTHER PARENTS, and either they will change their policy or they'll go out of business.
  • David
    Everything up until she got on the plane was the airline's fault. However, would you get on a plane simply because an airline employee told you to get on a plane if you knew your seats weren't with your kids, and it would require a stranger to "do the right thing" in order for you to get to sit with them? But Sierra's whole issue was that she felt it was a crime to allow her kids to sit alone on a plane, and while not legally true it, would be a parental crime to do so. My point is that she knew her seats weren't next to her kids as she was boarding the plane. When it comes down to it, she put herself and her kids (and by extension, everyone within earshot ) in that uncomfortable situation. Yes, the airline screwed up and should have remedied the situation for her beforehand. But she did not get on that plane under false pretenses. She just assumed something would happen that would allow her and her kids to sit together. You could tell from her tone right from the start that she's not the easiest person to deal with, just from the way she said "change my seat assignment" without even saying please. She was all set to play the "I have kids, you will do what I say or I'm going to go nuts" card. And I do have kids, an 8 and a 4 year old, and still parents who act like Sierra did in public drive me nuts. Now, if I got on a plane with seat assignments next to my kids and then when I got on I was told I couldn't sit with them, yes, I would have gone nuts like Sierra did. But that's not what happened even though the issue is being framed as if it was.
  • Sara Amis
    I know her personally, and I find her very easy to deal with. You don't know her at all, but you sure do seem to have a raging case of The Woman Must Be Wrong. I suggest you get that seen to. They have medication for it these days.
  • David
    Her gender has nothing to do with it. But the fact that you have a capitalized title for an instance when someone disagrees with a woman, rather than engaging the actual argument, says much more about your own world view.
  • Sara Amis
    I have a term for it because it happens a lot. A related phenomenon is "mansplaining": http://karenhealey.livejournal.com/781085.html

    Sierra and I have both explained, in more patient terms than you warrant, what is wrong with your perceptions and conclusions. The fact that you are impervious to facts or reason doesnt mean that WE aren't engaging the argument. It means you are an idiot.

    You weren't there. She was. You don't know her. I do. Yet you insist that you know more about the situation than either the person who was actually there, or the person who knows her well enough to form a judgment on her veracity and character.

    The fact that you are a man, and the two people you are patronizing are women, is neither trivial nor coincidental. You, sir, are a mansplainer. *And* an idiot.
  • Actually I did say please. And thank you. And, 'How can I help make this easier?" I also offered several times, before and after we got on the plane, to wait and fly out on a different plane where we could sit together.

    The airline employees refused to let me do that. I only got on the plane when they made it clear that I would have to forfeit my tickets with no compensation from the airline and just go home, or follow their instructions and get on the plane and hope someone would be willing to move their seats.

    Yes, it was an uncomfortable situation, and I was very unhappy about it. Would you really have given up over $2000 in plane tickets and cancelled your kids one chance to see their grandfather in a year rather than push the seating issue?


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  • David
    If it's true that they threatened no compensation then I understand your point. I do think it's a pretty important part of the story to leave out of your original post. I also find it a little hard to believe that they wouldn't give you credit for those tickets (minus a small fee), as I've checked in late to a flight and ran to the gate after taking forever to get through security, only to watch the plane roll away. I got credit for my ticket and only had to pay a small change fee to get out on the next flight. But it wasn't US Air so I can't dispute your version as far as that goes.
  • Rosa
    There are a lot of parts of this story that are hard to believe. I think that's the whole point -- this is a series of spectacular failures on USAirways' part.
  • I am so sorry you went through this. I have heard this story over and over again, and I'm not sure why it continues to happen.

    My kids are almost 8 and 10 and we travel all the time. If a flight attendant was unable to seat me with my kids, I would get off the plane. What if there was an emergency?
  • GLC219
    US Airways is known for having awful customer service (if you can even call it that) - it's like they're trying to be the worst airline ever.

    When we flew to Philly (their hub) with our infant, we paid for a first class upgrade online, then when we got to the airport we went to first class check in and insteadt of saying anything to us they checked us in as coach, with me and my husband in separate rows. When we said we bought and upgrade, they said "you're not in first class" and that first class was full. We asked if we could sit together and they said "no." It was literally as if they had been instructed not to speak to the customers - only one word answers and no explanations, and then the agent just walked away.

    Then, with no first class and no seat for our infant, they put me and my husband in separate rows and we had to do the same dance about waiting for someone to switch. Then, when we arrived, the carseat came out of baggage claim soaking wet from the rain.

    I will never fly US Airways again.
  • KristenKa
    We have had nightmare experiences with US Air ourselves-- incredibly poor customer service-- and will never fly US Air again either.
  • rebecca
    I cannot imagine that it is good for business to have someone else s toddler sitting next to you for 7 hours with their parent in another part of the plane. Do they expect the other passengers to entertain your child for 7 hours? At the very least they need to learn courtesy and let you know it may take a little time but it will be worked out.

    We flew Lufthansa to Germany and back from Switzerland on US Air to save $100. Let me tell you, next time we will GLADLY spend the extra $100 for Lufthansa - they were extremely kind and courteous, interested in your comfort. US Air attendants were rude and seemed annoyed to have to bother with you.
  • IvB
    I flew Lufthansa from Cape Town to Frankfurt. I had selected an aisle seat in a "two" aisle and window spot when I purchased in February. When I boarded in December, I discovered that my seat was one of the two middle ones in the center row of four and on my right was a toddler. I was told the flight was full and there was nothing they could do. The child spent the night with his head in his mother's lap, grinding his feet into my thigh. I put my pillow there. There were other bad things about the flight. I wrote a tart letter to Lufthansa after I got home.

    I was told that a seat assignment was an amenity that they didn't guarantee. She credited miles to my frequent flier account, but they did nothing and cared less at the time.
  • witchletsmom
    Lufthansa is hands down the BEST airline to travel with children.

    As to the comments about getting assigned seats earlier, you can try that. But speaking from experience if there is a change of equipment or another flight change your seats get shuffled and you may find yourself sitting 10 rows away from your 2 y/o.
  • The really stupid thing is that the airlines can easily avoid this issue entirely, by telling you when you make your reservation that they won't be able to seat you together. Indeed, it astounds me that they don't, particularly where at least one of the passengers is a young child.
  • Yerawlnutz
    They do tell you - technically. The information is on each airline's website in the Contract of Carriage. They can't force you to search for and read the information, and this is a wordy .pdf document - but the information's there, absolutely.

    Your airline ticket guarantees you ONLY passage from point A to point B on the designated date (and not even that if the cause is beyond the airline's control, e.g. weather, act of God, etc.). EVERYTHING else - routing, flights, equipment, seat assignments, etc. - is merely _requests_.
  • kimatsprig
    I sincerely wish I could say this never happened to me, but it has. American Airlines is equally as bad. It is also the reason I fly Southwest or Frontier now, both offer great service and wouldn't hear of something like this happening... hope it continues.
  • Sara Amis
    Oh, look, the blame-the-victim trolls and childfreeks are out.

    If you think leaving a two-year-old out of sight of her mother for a seven-hour flight is going to improve anyone's flight experience, you're a fool. Someone should take away your Internet.
  • keyne
    You're sending this to USAirways, right?
  • steve
    PARENTS LIKE YOU SICKEN ME.

    I'll wager you're one of those idiot helicopter parents who drives their kids everywhere -- even if it's two blocks to and from school.
    People like you sicken me. You're afraid of everything and you are raising your kids to be afraid of everything.

    Parents like you are going to be the downfall of American society.

    No one's going to bother your kid on a plane. Imbecile. YOU think you're being a great parent. But are in fact being a terrible parent with a mindset like that.


    And it's the kids that will suffer later in life because you treat them like this.
  • Lola
    Steve.....you must be a child molester. No way, I'd let me kids sit within 10 feet of you. That's what you secretly want. You're sick in the head.
  • seesue22
    You must be posting this as a joke just to see what kind emotions you can provoke out of people. That's the only way I can understand you writing such a ridiculous comment.

    If this is a real comment then 2 things: A) you SO are not a parent and B) you must not travel by plane much cause you would never make comments about sitting kids apart from parents. There is no way as a regular passenger you would want to be sat by a toddler and no parent to take care of them.

    Silly, silly, Steve- so funny or so stupid you must be!
  • Jen Hunter
    Although I'm sorry you got such a nasty comment, Sierra, I am greatly amused by just how little this guy knows who he's talking to.
  • People like you amuse me and anger me at the same time. Every time you hear about something that you don't understand because of your narrow experience and world view, you say it's going to be the downfall of society.

    You realize, to everyone else, that translates to "the sky is falling!" right?

    Have you ever spent time with young children? TWO and FIVE years old? Alone? No. Bad, bad idea. You're probably one of those people that complain about whiney or restless children on a plane, right? Would you, if the flight attendants sat someone's else's toddler next to you, watch that child? Take him to the bathroom? Make sure he eats? Entertain him?

    Yeah, didn't think so.

    I also doubt that they'd let the OP get up before everyone else so no one else could take off with the kid once the plane landed.
  • But nobody wants to be responsible for entertaining someone else's children for that long either, especially NOT a two year old. Think, dude. Think!

    Airline should have fixed this for the sake of other passengers if nothing else.

    On another note, people who are as rude as you are to this blogger will more likely be the "downfall of America."
  • Joanna
    Dude, you are SO not a parent. And if you are, God help your kids. Have you ever met a 2 year old? These are not "people" you want left unattended. Ever. They are like little cave people that crap their pants and eat crayons. And you want one sitting next to you without its mother? WTF is wrong with you?
  • GimliGirl
    You are a complete and utter moron who obviously just came here to shit on Sierra for standing up for herself. Way to go. If you read the blog regularly, and it's obvious you don't, you would never have posted such an asinine comment. Thanks for the laugh!
  • Carolyn
    First, to Sierra: What a nightmare. I am so sorry.

    Second, to Steve: You are way off-base with your comments. If you did some research before hurling around vitriol like this (which is, in my opinion, an inappropriate way to treat ANYONE, even if the relative anonymity of the 'net allows you to imagine otherwise) then you might realize that you're speaking to a parent who encourages her children in safe and creative exploration of the world. A parent who has done a lot of public writing and thinking about the culture of fear that we surround children with. In short, a parent who is the very opposite of the false assumptions you make here.

    I think I am almost as annoyed by your failure to pay any appropriate attention to context here as I am by the mean-spiritedness of your comment.
  • bc
    Make a reservation on a non-stop flight next time and get assigned seats. This is YOUR fault. NOT the airlines.

    And who takes a three-stop plane trip with kids in tow?
  • Jocasta Jones
    Are you for real? When we have to fly we always have connections because they don't HAVE direct flights from the airport I am near to anywhere I want to go. My 3 year old loves planes. As soon as we get off one plane she asks if we can go on another plane ride. She is perfect on planes. Now go tell her that she can't sit next to mommy. I dare you. I'll sit back and watch the fireworks.
  • Jett
    Seriously? You're seriously asking this question?

    The answer is, "People on a budget, jackass."
  • Carolyn
    Economic considerations don't always allow for luxuries like non-stop flights with pre-assigned seats. Nobody thinks that a three-stop flight with small children is a recipe for a good time--you can bet that if that was the choice made it was made for good and pressing reasons, not least of which might be the possibility that one CANNOT fly non-stop between certain points of travel.
  • Doug
    Well, if they're not with their parents maybe they won't bother the other passengers.

    I hate being near children on flights. Kicking the seats and crying. And the parents the whole time just smiles. "Oh, they're just kids"

    I say good for US Air!
  • DrNancy
    Hopefully, next time you are on a flight you'll be next to a toddler who has been separated from their parent. And hopefully, no other passenger will offer to switch with you. And when the flight attendant is rude to the parent and the child starts to freak out, perhaps the other passengers will be saying, "Good for Us Air!" Have a nice flight Doug!
  • GimliGirl
    LOL That's funny. Obviously you didn't read the post in it's entirety. Upon being seperated from their mom, the two kids had fits which might have kept up for the entire flight. How is that not bothering other passengers? EVERYONE has the right to fly, in comfort and safety, not just rich single/pairs. Parents with kids need all the compassion and empathy they can get, not ridicule and scorn.
  • Airline Employee
    The seats on an airplane are assigned on a first come -first served basis. That is - those who book early get to pick their seats and those who book late pick from what is remaining. No one has to give up their preassigned seat to you or your children. The flight attendants can ask, but they cannot move people to suit your needs. On a full flight, yes, you may be separated from other members of your party if there are no seats together. Why blame the flight attendant and USAirways? It was your fellow passengers who refused to move so you could sit together.
  • jlb
    I'm sitting here waiting for an American airline flight where the Airline did the same thing. They sat my 2 year old 11 rows away from Mommy and Daddy. We requested seats together on Expedia (which at this point will be the last time) and American ignored the request and chose to seat us a part. Now American insists it is out of their control because the flight is full. Thing is, my 2 year old is the one supposedly sitting by herself, according to her boarding pass. So, if they ask us to switch with our daughter, who once she sees Mommy and Daddy leave for the back of the plane will be in absolute histerics, we can assert, that rules are rules and her boarding pass says what it says and we have no discretion in the matter. Same thing AA is doing, really.

    My question is, is the the world we all want?
  • TS
    Most seat assignments are set at the airport when you board not when you book the flight. The airlines need to be considerate of people traveling with kids. This is a huge safety concern. The FAA states that all passengers need to be briefed about the inflight safety concerns. Do you actually think a 2 or 5 year old can handle that? This is why they need to sit by thier parents. Parents with kids are not asking for aisle, window or exit row seats, they are asking for seats together. The airlines have the data they can reserve the least desirable seats for parents with kids so they can sit together.
  • autumndrussell
    As an airline employee you must understand the policy US Airways has regarding seating assignments is set up for failure. As a business, do you rely on the merits of others to ensure customer satisfaction, or, do you take on that responsibility yourself? I understand it isn't the flight attendant's fault for having to follow procedure, but one can - and should expect a certain level of customer service, especially if you are working directly with people! Sometimes all people need is a sympathetic ear and a little reassurance. Would YOU leave your two-year-old alone with complete strangers? I would hope not. And you can't expect a frazzeled mother to do that, either. TSA has gotten horrible over the past few years. Flying used to be such a positive experience. Now it's nickle and dime us for everything, searching old ladies in wheelchairs at security and grumpy flight attendants who now practically have the right to get you thrown off a flight if you happen to be upset or raise your voice in objection. There is something broken with your industry and it needs to be fixed.
  • Channing
    At the risk of lowering the level of debate here even further, what kind of moron *are* you, what airline do you work for, and when was the last time you bought an airline ticket? The way that seats on an airplane are assigned depends on the airline.

    From their website, it looks like US Airways doesn't assign seats until 72 hours before departure. By contrast, JetBlue and American give you the option of picking your exact seats at the time of purchase. Some airlines, like RyanAir and JetBlue, charge more for certain seats. Southwest lets you pay more to skip to the head of the line. EasyJet just has people line up at the gate. In the old days, there was some sort of black magic where the ticketing agent could move people around based on window/aisle/sitting together, but the exact seats weren't assigned until roughly 24 hours before departure.
  • Christa
    Airtran lets you choose your seats for a fee ($6 each), UNLESS you are flying with minors, then they choose seats together for you.
  • jimi
    What about the practice of overbooking? Airlines overbook planes, and subsequently bump passengers unwillingly. You can't say that the service personnel had their hands tied. Let's face it. . . today, people don't want to be bothered with critical thinking and problem-solving, even when they are being paid to handle problems just like this. This is just an illustration of how lazy airline employees can be, especially when they hide behind the union.
  • Seesue22
    Well, Airline Employee, if you read the article she had pre-chosen her seats but US Airways made the error in not sitting them together. US Airways made the mistake and then chose to not fix it and left it up to the passengers to correct their error. Even if it was the passenger's fault, anyone who has been in Costumer Service KNOWS that no matter whose mistake it was, you as a Costumer Service Representative take responsibility and do everything in your power to correct the problem. It's how you get return customers and NOT get article written about you trying to persuading others to not use your company. US Airways knew the ages of the children and went against their own policies and placed them apart from their parent. Once she went up to the counter to correct the problem they should have called passengers up asked them if they would be willing to change seats so that they could seat families together according to their own policy. Just cause passengers picked their seats ahead of time does not mean it's written in stone and that the Airline can't change them. Well, apparently they know this cause they seem to feel free to do that to families. More importantly the STEWARDESS should be fired for her horrible actions. She not only made herself look bad but more importantly the airline. If she doesn't want to deal with situations like this then she is in the wrong job. They have to put up with this and more and are EXPECTED to deal with it in a comely manner. Having attitude with passengers just because they have attitude with you is NOT acceptable. You are representing a company not your personal feelings when dealing with situations like this. She represented US Airways VERY POORLY and I hope they take note of that.
  • Jerry Vandesic
    What probably happened is that she didn't check beforehand as to whether three seats together were available (this is a standard feature on the USAir web site). There probably weren't three together. So the system found three seats for her. If she had checked, she would have seen the problem and been faced with a decision: either take your chances on this flight, or find another flight. She didn't do her homework, and ended up with the first option by default. I have no sympathy for her.
  • guest
    What do you mean - if she had pre-chosen the seats, how could they NOT be together? Some of you peeople make no sense.
  • mamahearsawho
    Wow. Seriously, Airline Employee? Are you seriously saying that the take-away from this post is that Sierra doesn't understand the concept of seat-booking? Because I clearly got that the real problem was ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE. In fact, negative customer service. And I'm sorry for shouting, but I'm assuming you need messages to be a little louder and clearer than average.

    That flight attendant was far from attentive. US Airways' questionable seating strategies (?) aside, the problem is that our faithful blogger was treated like a bothersome pest instead of the paying customer she was.
  • RosaLC
    I am a single person with no kids, and I have frequently been asked BY THE AIRLINE or flight attendants to switch seats in order to accommodate families or couples traveling together, and I'm typically happy to comply. I don't OWN the seat I'm assigned, and I believe it's the airline's job to support their employees in managing this kind of situation for the safety of all. That safety is obviously compromised by seating young kids apart from their parents, and your attitude is troubling. I wish you'd indicated what airline you work for so I can avoid it in the future.
  • GarBear
    The only airlines I know that board like that is SouthWest Airlines.
  • KristenKa
    Baloney baloney!! The flight attendants CAN AND SHOULD require other passengers to move in order to accomodate a 2-year-old. Sheesh. Not only that, but we booked our flight to Mexico SIX MONTHS in advance and still they didn't manage to seat me near my 4-year-old and 5-year-old. We didn't have as much trouble with it as the woman who wrote this blog post, but it was still scary for them and frustrating for me. If US Air can't accomodate young children, they should not book flights for young children.
  • GarBear
    whenever i booked with US Air, they always let me chose my seat online. weather I book six months in advance or 2 hours advance. So I know the statement by KristenKa is not being truthful.
  • Jerry Vandesic
    I agree. She needed to book her seats when she bought the ticket, but she failed to do that. If she couldn't find seats together at that time, she should have found another flight or another airline that did have seats that she wanted. This isn't the airlines fault, and it certainly isn't other passenger's fault. The ticket buyer was lazy.

    More than that, she was being selfish. She expected other people to give up seats that they had carefully arranged beforehand because she couldn't be bothered with pre-selecting seats. When I travel, I plan ahead and expect to get the seats I reserved. When I travel with my children, I do the same for them. As the old saying goes, a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
  • This analysis doesn't explain why the people seated in the window and aisle seats around me and my kids nearly all wanted to move as well, because they'd been separated from their own family members. Those people didn't carefully choose their seats; they'd been randomly assigned less than ideal seating just like I had been.

    And I didn't expect other people to give up their seats. I offered several times to fly out on a later flight that had the seating I wanted. The airline's preferred policy for dealing with these things is to pressure other passengers to give up their seats.
  • Christa
    It's a bad policy. Fly with a company like Airtran and you'll see that it's not always this way!
  • frequentflyingmom
    Christa, not to be rude but Airtrans was horrific a few years ago when my family and I experienced almost the exact same situation. Our children were two and five and both of them, my husband and I were split up all over the plane. We tried to get it taken care of before boarding, spoke to supervisors etc. and were told it would be taken care of once we boarded. Their idea of "taking care of it", was to ask other passengers if they would move. Nobody did. Long story short, my kids started crying because the flight attendant was yelling at my husband and I to leave them and get in our seats. When we said we couldn't leave our kids like this, the flight attendant told us we would need to leave the plane. We did and well I won't go into what happened after we disembarked. Suffice to say that was the only time we ever booked Airtrans. Always fly Continental and have never had any problems.
  • Actually, on the flight where we were all given center seats, the aisle seats adjacent to each of the seats my girls had been assigned to were also assigned to kids separated from their parents, and the window and aisle seats on either side of my sister were assigned to an older couple who asked her to swap with them because they wanted to sit together.

    My sister says two passengers offered early on to swap seats with me if it would help me sit with my kids, and the flight attendant told them to sit down.
  • kimatsprig
    I have to say that your response completely dodges the issue that the Airline should have a policy in place to deal with these circumstances. Here is the reality: often parents/families buy last minute or bargain rates that don't offer any BUT last minute seating options simply to save money. It is very costly to travel with children. No options are available for discounted tickets for smaller members, so we are stuck picking the cheapest tickets we can find if we want to (or must) travel.

    Your response says: 1) my airline doesn't care about its customers and 2) we have no plans on caring about them. How about some out of the box thinking here: small children take up smaller amounts of room... is a long term solution creating family rows with diminuitive seats for smaller passengers (and fitting more seats/revenue in that row?). You could revolutionize the industry with an approach like this, and adding in safety harnesses to those seats would show you truly care about family passengers... WOW, with as many mom bloggers out there, you could corner the family travel marketing simply through the tide of praise you would get through the social marketing channel.

    At the end of the day the key to good customer service is seeing things though the customer's eyes not remaining entrenched in an inflexible policy. I hope if you aren't at least willing to listen, there are other airlines out there willing to use this as a case study and revolutionize family travel. I, for one, would be grateful.
  • GimliGirl
    So you think it's perfectly reasonable for a 2 year old and a five year old to be separated from their mother on a long flight and seated with total strangers? It's not up to the 'fellow passengers' to fix US Airways screwup of separating a family, it's US Airway's problem to fix. The airlines need to take responsibility here.
  • GarBear
    The lady in this story is a little crazy to just assume the airlines are going to accommodate her and her kids. Although I do have sympathy for the situation her and her kids were put in and Purser may have not the most pleasant, like many of them are now. A full fare passenger will be able to choose a seat when the ticket is purchased. It is obvious that she was a bargain customer and just expected the airlines to force a full fare passenger out of there seats. This lady definitely has no experience flying or any idea how the airlines operates. I believe the only real complaint this lady could have would be with the Purser, but we are only hearing one side of this story.
  • TS
    The majority of people are non experienced flyers, or they are like myself who fly a lot, but the company they work for takes care of the arrangements. I booked a flight through an online agency and ran into the same situation. After I booked I immediately called United and told them I needed to sit by my 5 year old daughter. They told me that I would not have any problems, but unfortuately when I traveled back I ran into the same problem. Not once when I talked to United did they tell me to upgrade to assigned seats, or to pre board 24 hours in advance. What they told me was "there will be no issues with you sitting next to your daughter"
  • we want to know...
    Out of curiosity, was there no option to reserve seats when you bought the tickets? how did you buy them?
    Did you not get the seats when you got your flight confirmation?
    Did you notice the seats when you got your boarding pass?
  • I assure you this woman is correct, the same thing happened to us and we bought our tickets months in advance and like all other mothers, picked the seats at the time of purchase. However, when we checked in they were all over the plane with our two year old 14 rows from the closest parent. We paid for the two year old's seat, so he could be in the FAA preferred car seat. Another added headache, car seats must be at a window seat. When my husband asked that they change the error, they said they could not (long before boarding) and that we would need to ask someone onboard to switch (how do you do this with people boarding, 14 rows apart and you aren't allowed to keep your toddler with you?) When my husband asked her if the passengers and/ or the airline were responsible for our child, she replied, "No! Parents are responsible for their children at all times!" This came with a nasty look and eye- roll behavior that as a well- seasoned traveler I found out of the ordinary and appalling.
  • michellelevans
    this is absolutely horrifying! omg, i felt a bit of a panic coming on just reading this. i have a 2 year old and a 7 year old. NO WAY would i allow either of them to sit next to a stranger on a flight due to a ticketing error. and what is wrong with the US Airways employees? do they need to leave their compassion at the door when they come to work?

    i will also share this with my entire social network community. when flying with kids, i will definitely NOT fly US Airways.
  • Even if you request seat selection it's no guarantee! When I flew with my daughter I had requested specific seats and paid for that selection and they STILL re-sold those seats to someone else at the airport. Their response? "Oops, oh well!" No matter what, at the end of the day it is the airline's responsibility to make sure that minors are traveling with their guardians. Period.
  • GimliGirl
    Way to go, Sierra! Take them to task and in the meantime give your girls all the extra hugs you can.

    With all the shit I've been hearing about flying in the States I'm so glad I don't live there and will hopefully never have to fly there!
  • WOW! Oh my goodness. Appalling, unbelievable and disgusting.

    Shame on US Airways for treating you and your family this way. I hope you get some type of resolution, reimbursement or something.
  • julieannejones
    I'm spreading the word about this to everyone in my social media network. You might also be interested in this guy's experience with United (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo&feature=fvw). It's estimated he cost them a 10% drop in their stock only 24 hours after this video came out. Love the power of music! Thanks for sharing your story and I say we get the word out and make them do something!

    Julie Anne Jones
  • Actually, Dave thinks it may have been Continental that pulled this stunt on us. Or maybe both. Ugh.
  • Rowan
    Not to in any way minimize the colossal screw-up on the part of US Airways, but a suggestion to help possibly avoid such stress in the future (like, say, on the flights back) -- you can pick (and change) your seats at any time online. The further in advance you do it, the better the selection, obviously. It's also worth checking back every so often during the last few days before the flight, because that's when they'll be processing upgrades, so seats in economy may become available as people get moved to business (this is how I scored a window seat on a recent flight).

    For US Airways, you don't need to have bought your tickets online to do this, or be registered with their frequent flyer program. Go to their home page, click "Manage Reservations", and enter the confirmation or ticket number.
  • DrNancy
    This can't always be done online. Many times, they only have a certain number of available seats that can be chosen online. After these are taken, you have to wait until you check in at the airport to have them changed. I fly with 4 children under the age of 12 and this has been the case on several occasions.

    My most recent flight was booked 6 weeks in advance and I checked almost daily to change seats. Nothing was ever available during that entire time. Once at the airport I was told all seats were taken and it was not possible to be switched.
  • Erin
    Also, some airlines (like, say, AirTran) are now charging a fee if you want to select your seats before checking in (which you can do online starting 24 hours before your flight). I don't know if they've fixed this, but they had also changed the way they automatically assign seats to assign your party to whatever seats were furthest forward in the plane and still free, without preferencing you to be seated together or preferencing window or aisle. I sent an angry email about that choice and I wasn't traveling with minors.

    US Airways should have assigned seats to Sierra and her kids that were together when they bought their tickets--it's not like they didn't know that they'd be on that flight and that this could be a problem.
  • Wow. That, is unbelievably appalling.

    I'd consider sending this in to Patrick Smith, who writes the excellent Ask The Pilot column on Salon. His email is patricksmith@askthepilot.com.
  • That's appalling. Dave and I had a similar issue with US Airways a few years ago, when flying from New York to Oregon. I don't remember what happened on the way home, but I absolutely remember that we had one transfer going out there, and on both flights we were separated into two center seats many aisles apart. I was angry, and we ultimately convinced people to trade seats with us, which didn't really make up for it. We haven't flown US Airways since. I am horrified to discover that they'd pull the same crap on families with young children.
  • Sara Amis
    This makes me angry just reading about it. What the ever loving hell.

    Some airlines let you choose seat assignments if you want to. When I flew across country with my then-five-year-old son, way back when, it was on Southwest and they let me pick seat assignments.
  • Yerawlnutz
    You must have started from San Diego. This was a short-lived experiment out of that airport, in, I think, part of 2008? 2007?
  • Yes, but sometimes you go to check in even a week before, and you're unable to select seats together.

    I do really sympathize with you, having two small kids myself and having flown with them before, I really do. I also really hate US Airways. They're horrendous. But when flying with kids, I've found that the earlier you check in, the better your chances of avoiding this situation. At least you can go to the counter and say that you attempted to choose your seats upon purchasing your tickets.
  • Dbang
    Sounds awful and stressful. I dread this sort of thing! I'm appalled that they were so rude to you.

    At the same time I also wonder what you wanted them to do? It wasn't a "mistake" that they put you in middle rows...it was because other passengers had already selected all the aisle and window seats by the time you requested you boarding passes so those were the available seats :(

    I was very nervous about something like this happening to me when I flew with my three kids last month so I booked very early and selected my seats as soon as they opened seat selection. Fortunately I was early enough that I got suitable seating. Had I not I would have called the airline right then with enough advance warning that we could work something out or change flights or something.
  • I wanted them to:
    1. Have a seating assignment procedure that would ensure every
    passenger be able to travel safely - which for a toddler I think means
    sitting with her caregiver.

    2. Have a policy in place to deal with problems like this when they
    arise.

    3. Have staff who are capable of dealing with seating issues in a
    respectful manner.

    I've flown with my kids at least a dozen times, never checked in more
    than two hours before my flight and never encountered a problem like
    this.
  • dbang
    Right, I'm asking for specifics. Obviously it's no good to have a toddler seated alone. So...what's the solution? What would you like to have actually happened?

    The best solution I can see in this circumstance is that when you go to book your flight, you get notified "there are no adjacent seats on this flight" and then you get to decide whether to go ahead and book or not. Would that have met your "#1"? It's not super satisfactory but it at least guarantees no toddler sits alone unless the one booking the tickets okays that.

    #2 I'm stuck on. What would you suggest?

    #3 totally agreed. Respectful staff is important regardless of the situation.

    I'm surprised you have never encountered this before given your choice to never check in ahead of time. I always try to check in as soon as available (generally 24 hours before boarding), and when I traveled with kids I absolutely did that, exactly to avoid the situation you describe, which I dreaded! I highly recommend online checkin in the future when you are traveling!
  • The only US airline I have had success with is American Airlines . Everytime I have flown US Airways something horrifc has happened (door off the cargo had busted, they double booked the same seats, half our party ended up staying in San Juan overnight because they messed up the connections and couldn't find flights they booked us on that didn't exist). Continental did the same thing that happened to you to an ENTIRE flight to Ireland where every single person who was on the plane was sitting away from the person they had booked with. It was left up to the passengers to figure out if we could switch seats to accomodate each other. On the way back we ended up spending the entire night in Newark due to their problem and they didn't comp anyone for meals or hotel.

    Disaster.

    I have learned to just spend the extra cash if possible and take other airlines. The fact that the people who work there are also incredibly rude (which probably comes with the constant stress of dealing with such major screw ups) has pretty much sealed the deal for me. Once bitten, twice shy as they say.

    At any rate, there is NO NO NO excuse to put a child without a guardian! Unfortunately, when you complain you will probably not get a refund but instead will get a stupid $250 voucher that is only good when there is a full moon and when the crow flies at midnight.
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