Comments on: Boycott the Marriott! http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/ embracing the wild heart of parenting Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kat http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-3167 Kat Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:34:00 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-3167 I have to admit, my first reaction is violent and unhelpful. But, we're re-entering an era of blaming the victim. When I was 21, I got DRUNK at my party. I mean shitfaced, no clue what was going on drunk. And topless pictures where taken. The man who took them, without my knowledge, followed me home. Days later when I was alone, he broke in a raped me. I went to the police and attempted to press charges. The police told me it could not be rape since he can topless pictures of my on his cell phone. They proceeded to threaten to arrest me for slander. The lead investigator even called me a whore to my face. I have to admit, my first reaction is violent and unhelpful. But, we’re re-entering an era of blaming the victim.
When I was 21, I got DRUNK at my party. I mean shitfaced, no clue what was going on drunk. And topless pictures where taken.
The man who took them, without my knowledge, followed me home. Days later when I was alone, he broke in a raped me.
I went to the police and attempted to press charges.
The police told me it could not be rape since he can topless pictures of my on his cell phone. They proceeded to threaten to arrest me for slander. The lead investigator even called me a whore to my face.

]]> By: BigBaldRon http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 BigBaldRon Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:25:01 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-1985 So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property? So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property?

]]> By: BigBaldRon http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-1360 BigBaldRon Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:25:01 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-1360 So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property? So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property?

]]> By: BigBaldRon http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-1083 BigBaldRon Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:25:01 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-1083 So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property? So, it's Marriotts fault that somebody chose to commit a crime on their property?

]]> By: Carol Covin http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-656 Carol Covin Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:54:36 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-656 Marriott's lawyers came up with a pretty thin defense of their client. They probably knew it, but had no other defense. If other guests had warned them about the assailant, they really had no defense. I once read about a case, prosecuted successfully, where a woman was raped, in her hotel room. She had demanded that the hotel give her a room on at least the second floor when she made reservations, because she usually traveled alone and tried to be careful, rather than the 1st floor rooms that had doors with rooms that opened to the outside of the building. They claimed they had not gotten her request when she arrived and that the only rooms left were 1st floor rooms, where she was later raped. It's not whether the rape happens. It's whether the hotel has taken reasonable precautions. Marriott should have settled and apologized. I thought we left blaming the victim back in the 70s. Marriott’s lawyers came up with a pretty thin defense of their client. They probably knew it, but had no other defense. If other guests had warned them about the assailant, they really had no defense.
I once read about a case, prosecuted successfully, where a woman was raped, in her hotel room. She had demanded that the hotel give her a room on at least the second floor when she made reservations, because she usually traveled alone and tried to be careful, rather than the 1st floor rooms that had doors with rooms that opened to the outside of the building. They claimed they had not gotten her request when she arrived and that the only rooms left were 1st floor rooms, where she was later raped.
It’s not whether the rape happens. It’s whether the hotel has taken reasonable precautions.
Marriott should have settled and apologized. I thought we left blaming the victim back in the 70s.

]]> By: Carol Covin http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-2654 Carol Covin Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:54:00 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-2654 Marriott's lawyers came up with a pretty thin defense of their client. They probably knew it, but had no other defense. If other guests had warned them about the assailant, they really had no defense. I once read about a case, prosecuted successfully, where a woman was raped, in her hotel room. She had demanded that the hotel give her a room on at least the second floor when she made reservations, because she usually traveled alone and tried to be careful, rather than the 1st floor rooms that had doors with rooms that opened to the outside of the building. They claimed they had not gotten her request when she arrived and that the only rooms left were 1st floor rooms, where she was later raped. It's not whether the rape happens. It's whether the hotel has taken reasonable precautions. Marriott should have settled and apologized. I thought we left blaming the victim back in the 70s. Marriott’s lawyers came up with a pretty thin defense of their client. They probably knew it, but had no other defense. If other guests had warned them about the assailant, they really had no defense.
I once read about a case, prosecuted successfully, where a woman was raped, in her hotel room. She had demanded that the hotel give her a room on at least the second floor when she made reservations, because she usually traveled alone and tried to be careful, rather than the 1st floor rooms that had doors with rooms that opened to the outside of the building. They claimed they had not gotten her request when she arrived and that the only rooms left were 1st floor rooms, where she was later raped.
It’s not whether the rape happens. It’s whether the hotel has taken reasonable precautions.
Marriott should have settled and apologized. I thought we left blaming the victim back in the 70s.

]]> By: Rich Wilson http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-623 Rich Wilson Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:18:45 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-623 Whether or not the case has merit, I don't think attacking the victim has any place in this case. The Marriott should be basing their defense on whether or not they lived up to their duty to provide an appropriate level of safety in the garage. The fact that she got raped isn't proof that the garage wasn't 'sufficiently' safe. The Marriott can't be required to make anything 100% safe- that doesn't exist. But to say that she should not have gone into the parking garage is ludicrous. What the heck is it for if you can't go there? And if it's only safe for men, isn't that inviting a sexual discrimination suit? Did they make it 'reasonably' safe or not? Period. Whether or not the case has merit, I don’t think attacking the victim has any place in this case. The Marriott should be basing their defense on whether or not they lived up to their duty to provide an appropriate level of safety in the garage. The fact that she got raped isn’t proof that the garage wasn’t ‘sufficiently’ safe. The Marriott can’t be required to make anything 100% safe- that doesn’t exist. But to say that she should not have gone into the parking garage is ludicrous. What the heck is it for if you can’t go there? And if it’s only safe for men, isn’t that inviting a sexual discrimination suit?

Did they make it ‘reasonably’ safe or not? Period.

]]> By: Rich Wilson http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-2653 Rich Wilson Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:18:00 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-2653 Whether or not the case has merit, I don't think attacking the victim has any place in this case. The Marriott should be basing their defense on whether or not they lived up to their duty to provide an appropriate level of safety in the garage. The fact that she got raped isn't proof that the garage wasn't 'sufficiently' safe. The Marriott can't be required to make anything 100% safe- that doesn't exist. But to say that she should not have gone into the parking garage is ludicrous. What the heck is it for if you can't go there? And if it's only safe for men, isn't that inviting a sexual discrimination suit? Did they make it 'reasonably' safe or not? Period. Whether or not the case has merit, I don’t think attacking the victim has any place in this case. The Marriott should be basing their defense on whether or not they lived up to their duty to provide an appropriate level of safety in the garage. The fact that she got raped isn’t proof that the garage wasn’t ‘sufficiently’ safe. The Marriott can’t be required to make anything 100% safe- that doesn’t exist. But to say that she should not have gone into the parking garage is ludicrous. What the heck is it for if you can’t go there? And if it’s only safe for men, isn’t that inviting a sexual discrimination suit?

Did they make it ‘reasonably’ safe or not? Period.

]]> By: Sierra http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-582 Sierra Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:13:19 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-582 @ Hobart: Well, people don't pay me to maintain a security detail in my backyard. This woman was paying the Marriott, as their guest, and they do maintain security on behalf of their guests. I believe her suit is based on the fact that their hotel security failed to respond to complaints about her assailant from other guests, and they had not properly trained their staff or placed appropriate security cameras in the parking garage. That said, I don't have any real opinion about what the Marriott did or didn't do to prevent this rape. Maybe her complaint is accurate and maybe it isn't. It's pretty clear to me that the fault for the rape lies with the rapist. I'm just appalled that the hotel would suggest the woman was at fault for simply being in their garage. The underlying message is that any responsible woman would know its not safe for her to go anywhere without a man, and I don't buy that. @ Hobart: Well, people don’t pay me to maintain a security detail in my backyard. This woman was paying the Marriott, as their guest, and they do maintain security on behalf of their guests. I believe her suit is based on the fact that their hotel security failed to respond to complaints about her assailant from other guests, and they had not properly trained their staff or placed appropriate security cameras in the parking garage.

That said, I don’t have any real opinion about what the Marriott did or didn’t do to prevent this rape. Maybe her complaint is accurate and maybe it isn’t. It’s pretty clear to me that the fault for the rape lies with the rapist. I’m just appalled that the hotel would suggest the woman was at fault for simply being in their garage. The underlying message is that any responsible woman would know its not safe for her to go anywhere without a man, and I don’t buy that.

]]> By: Sierra http://childwild.com/2009/08/14/boycott-the-marriott/comment-page-1/#comment-2652 Sierra Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:13:00 +0000 http://childwild.com/?p=2564#comment-2652 @ Hobart: Well, people don't pay me to maintain a security detail in my backyard. This woman was paying the Marriott, as their guest, and they do maintain security on behalf of their guests. I believe her suit is based on the fact that their hotel security failed to respond to complaints about her assailant from other guests, and they had not properly trained their staff or placed appropriate security cameras in the parking garage. That said, I don't have any real opinion about what the Marriott did or didn't do to prevent this rape. Maybe her complaint is accurate and maybe it isn't. It's pretty clear to me that the fault for the rape lies with the rapist. I'm just appalled that the hotel would suggest the woman was at fault for simply being in their garage. The underlying message is that any responsible woman would know its not safe for her to go anywhere without a man, and I don't buy that. @ Hobart: Well, people don’t pay me to maintain a security detail in my backyard. This woman was paying the Marriott, as their guest, and they do maintain security on behalf of their guests. I believe her suit is based on the fact that their hotel security failed to respond to complaints about her assailant from other guests, and they had not properly trained their staff or placed appropriate security cameras in the parking garage.

That said, I don’t have any real opinion about what the Marriott did or didn’t do to prevent this rape. Maybe her complaint is accurate and maybe it isn’t. It’s pretty clear to me that the fault for the rape lies with the rapist. I’m just appalled that the hotel would suggest the woman was at fault for simply being in their garage. The underlying message is that any responsible woman would know its not safe for her to go anywhere without a man, and I don’t buy that.

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