Personal finance software, why are you so annoying?

by Sierra on August 9, 2009 · Comments

in money

Managing my personal finances has become something of a hobby for me, something I spend at least a few hours a week paying attention to. As a result, my household’s financial health has gotten a lot better.

But like any hobby, it’s tempting to keep playing and tweaking and upgrading my toys. For the past six months or so, I’ve been using Wesabe to manage my finances. It’s gotten progressively more annoying. A few months ago, they overhauled their user interface to make it more like Mint. I hate Mint, so ever since, I’ve been looking for a new personal finance program. In a vague sort of way.

This weekend, I got serious about switching and started working my way through Get Rich Slowly’s list of personal finance software options. I’ve taken six programs for a test drive in the past two days, discounting several others because I’d tried them in the past or they’re not supported on my Mac, etc.

Here’s what I was looking for:

  • easy to use – I need to be able to quickly find all the information I might want about what I’m spending in a given category or what bills I have coming up, etc.
  • automatic – I want the software to automatically import data from all my accounts, without a lot of fuss and bother from me. I’d also like it to be fairly competent at putting those imports into the right categories. This one is complicated, because I use a small bank. Most software programs aren’t able to download from it, but a few are.
  • customizable – I need to be able to make my own categories, and set up my own budget goals.
  • free – there are so many free programs out there, I hoped to find one that met my needs. This whole project is about saving me money, right?
  • fun – this is, as I mentioned, something of a hobby for me. Hobbies should be fun! I’d like something that feels good to use and offers some extras like community boards or finance tips.

After a full weekend of playing with different programs, I think I’ve settled on Quicken Online. It’s not that it does any of the things I wanted best: I like Moneywell’s interface a lot more – it was slick, easy to use and fun. But it did not do the automatic data imports I wanted, and it costs $50. I liked how easy Moneystrands was to set up, but found its interface terminally annoying once I’d uploaded my data. I chose Quicken because it was the only one that did everything I wanted in a basically competent way.

Do you have a favorite personal finance program? What do you love about it?

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  • Months later, I give my 2¢

    (1) Yes, they all drive me batty, too.

    (2) I abandoned Quicken for the Mac after 13 years of faithful upgrades and use because they just completely failed to treat Macs seriously. We're currently tolerating Moneydance.

    (3) I mainly use free and/or open-source software for the vast majority of my computing, but I think if one is going to use financial software it's one thing worth paying for and keeping on your own hard drive.

    (4) Years ago I meticulously entered every transaction by hand, no matter how small. Was never really worth the time invested. Now I just download and tag.
  • Months later, I'm replying to your reply. How well does Moneydance handle fairly complex stuff? I'm self-employed now, so I have a lot of finicky tax stuff and record-keeping and I get like a dozen small checks a month from different sources. Quicken has a very pricey Home&Business package, but I'd rather not go there if something that was really designed for the Mac can do just as well.
  • Ert
    I don't think I'd use Moneydance for tracking business stuff. A couple of years ago an administrator at moneydance.com said "I'm still not entirely convinced that Moneydance is the perfect fit (or that there is a perfect fit for small business on the mac)." ( http://moneydance.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1199522039 )

    I got MYOB FirstEdge for tracking my business stuff and that's in the same price range as Quicken Home. Again, this is one of things that seems to me to be worth throwing a bit of money at.

    Also, with our last set of tenants we used to get a lot of rent cheques trickling in all the time, and after a couple of years of dealing with that pain we signed up for Rentometer, a service that lets our renters send their cheques (or online bill pay or even credit cards) to a different address and they take care of all the depositing and sending reminders if they're late. Rentometer is specifically targeted for property management, but you might find an online service that works well for you. Mint is trying to get into that space ( http://getsatisfaction.com/mint/topics/mint_for... )
  • Nice! Sounds like its time to give Mint another try. That Q&A says they've fixed my main issue with it, which was the lack of custom categories.
  • Larry Doyle
    Run as fast as you can from any Intuit products... Quicken is impossible and infuriating to use... in the land of the blind the one eyed software is king... There is an avalanche of need for a good, well designed, well programmed, well support personal finance program. Quicken has a 300 page manual, sure sign of a poorly designed application. unless of course you want to spend all you free time becoming an "expert" just so you can balance your check book and make a budget...
  • Aurora
    You are going to Love [Not!] Quicken's announcement that they are buying Mint! http://blog.quicken.intuit.com/announcement/200...
  • Steve in W MA
    I have an Excel spreadsheet where one sheet lists all my accounts by name, as well as all of my budget category names (the rest of the worksheet uses these lists) , another sheet is list of all of my transactions (this is where I enter transactions in), and another sheet slices and dices them according to category and month of the year and compares them against the budget I set for that month and keeps a running entry of the accumulated available money in each budget category.

    A few minutes learning how to use an array formula in Excel (or whatever spreadsheet you have) and learning how to define variables) and you can do the same.

    I prefer manual entry of transactions. It only takes maybe 10 minutes a week or every 2 weeks. I put all my receipts in a pottery jar by the computer and pull them out once a week to enter them.

    One thing that keeps the computer entry time down is that I use cash envelopes with a fixed monthly amount for all my food and fun expenditures. Since those are the most recurring and most important for me to control on an ongoing basis using the cash envelopes helps me keep a rein on them and also minimizes the ongoing data entry. The entry for the month could be as simple as $199/.food/ cash with a comment "from groceries envelope) if all I have is a dollar at the end of the month.

    Another thing good about the cash envelope system for these few categories is that I don't have to really refer to my Excel spreadsheet much at all during the month, maybe just once when I enter the receipts for the month and set my budget for the next month, and maybe once or twice during the month to refer to a budget category if I'm considering making an expenditure.
  • Ellen
    I'm glad to hear you've become disenchanted with Wesabe, because I was utterly unable to get the iPhone app to do anything useful, and I kept not throwing it away because I had this memory that you loved Wesabe. Now I can toss it with a clear conscience :-)
  • Rich Wilson
    I just wanna say, you guys are all scaring me!

    I use Excel whenever I feel a need to see where things are. Which is probably a good sign that I should be keeping better track. Or better yet, since I'm married to an accountant, get HER to take over keeping track! I'm not sure why the most disorganized person in the family is in charge of paying the bills. Thank god for online banking!
  • Sarah T
    I briefly used Mvelopes (also costs money) , and it has a fantastic modality that nothing else I've used -- including Quicken, which I also liked -- has lived up to: you make budgets by saying "I have this much money for this category per month," but if there's leftover money in there, it keeps remembering this! Most programs seem to automatically reset monthly budgets, and I really care if there are $50 left in my grocery fund, not just this month, but three months from now!
  • Casi
    I love Quicken 2006 for the Mac. I prefer doing everything manually, rather than automated (except my 401k account) because I like having that level of control over my finances. I'd say I spend about 5 minutes a day inputting my receipts and I've got financial data from 2005-present to draw on. It's really useful and it's extremely gratifying to watch my net worth rise and understand where I'm really spending money and can cut back. I love that it's very straightfoward and lets me define my categories and accounts, and it's very useful at tax time for figuring out deductible expenses. I hear Quicken will be completely overhauling their interface for Quicken Financial Life for Mac in early spring, but the beta looks really uninviting.
  • desiringsubject
    I'm quite happy with quickenonline, but I'll say this about that. In it's automaticness, it's kinda like when you learn to use a calculator for calculations for the first time--you still have to check your answers.

    When it was learning my regular bills as opposed to my occasional expenditures it occasionally them wrong (it took me a LONG time to convince it that I was not going to be reliably spending $63.37 at the Tropical Food Store in Roxbury on the 12th of every month. Though, dood, what a trip if I did!) And then also early on I had a weird cash flow thingie (it's tough to get paid on time when you have to track down a volunteer board member to sign your check every time...) So I paid the minimum on my credit card by or on the due date. But I didn't want to accrue nasty interest so a few days later I paid it off in full. Plus, that month there had been some large and reimbursed expenses on the credit card. So Quicken divined that I'd be paying a ridiculous amount to my credit card company TWICE every month. A little while later I login and it has HUGE RED LETTERS saying I'm going to be HIDEOUSLY OVERDRAWN if I keep spending like this. Like, 5 figures overdrawn. Fortunately it was so off the wall that I knew it wasn't *true* but it took quite some time to figure out where it's little brain had gone wrong and to convince it to chill out and like, notice what I actually spent.

    It's been much happier since. Only small green numbers. Phew.
  • LC
    I have so not found any program that doesn't drive me nuts.

    I have like moneytrackin for purposes of just basic keeping track of what is where.

    Every actual personal finance software has driven me completely batty.
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